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Re: #Selfie Synth

Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 8:08 pm
by Swayze
Nannerfan wrote:
tallowwaters wrote:Mindless songs about mindless activities completely lacking any grandiose pretense are far better than pretentious wankers masquerading behind their banal wheedling and calling it real 'art'. Oh, please define your 'progressiveness', 'pacing', and 'catchiness' while I fall asleep listening to your aural pablum.
:roll:.
I take it this is directed towards commodorejohn?
commodorejohn wrote:"Sure it's s**t, but you don't care that it's s**t when you're drunk off your a*s!" is not exactly a strong argument. And it's not like dance music is just inherently shitty - I don't even care for it that much and I can still point to much, much better stuff than this. Whereas this thing...there's no pacing, there's no progression, there's no melody. It's like a musical homunculus: it has the form of a song, but it doesn't have the essence of one. Or, as Gertrude Stein said of Oakland, "there is no there there."
It appears it was directed at him and the above post from page 3...

"Sure it's s**t, but you don't care that it's s**t when you're drunk off your a*s."

Very true.

"It's like a musical homunculus: it has the form of a song, but it doesn't have the essence of one."

This is a perfect comparison IMO.

I don't see anything wrong with what commodorejohn is saying, maybe it was the way he said it that pissed some people off. But in the end I think he made some very valid points. So did others...so what's the big deal? Isn't that why we're here? To discuss, debate, argue...Isn't the first step in that process to share our opinion? So why get mad at someone for doing that?

Re: #Selfie Synth

Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 8:23 pm
by Nannerfan
Because it's easier to be dismissive.

Which today means open-minded I guess.

Re: #Selfie Synth

Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 8:58 pm
by Swayze
I understand the need to challenge the opinions of others, keep em honest, play devil's advocate, what have you. But it's important to do this in good spirit so things don't get so damn personal.

VSE can be like a shark tank sometimes...once blood is drawn, the feeding frenzy ensues. When it comes to commodorejohn and this thread, I guess it was just his turn or maybe he had it coming. Maybe it's a form of hazing, VSE style. IDK.

I'll say this about Cjohn. He can't be all that bad because he's taking this abuse like a true gentleman. Props for that.

Re: #Selfie Synth

Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 10:05 pm
by Algorithm
Commodorejohn is unwavering too. His posts are the oregano on the greasy vseforum pizza pie. I commend commodorejohn for his belief and sticking by that. I also commend ninja for taking his approach to be less judgmental. Both of those are great ways to look at it. That is what happens, tastes & life gets more refined with experience.

Re: #Selfie Synth

Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 10:49 pm
by Nannerfan
I found ninja's comments closes-minded and objectively ignorant.

To assume that, if you don't like the track then dance music just isn't for you? I know that isn't what he meant (I hope not). But he was too concerned with "saying that right thing" ... Why not just be blunt and speak your mind. I feel like a lot of people on forums today sound like they should be running for congress.

Re: #Selfie Synth

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:11 am
by HUBA
Why don't all of you attacking Commodorejohn just admit that he had it right from the beginning of this thread and all you charlatans have been doing is misinterpreting him to make him repeat himself so you can accuse him for being self-important since you're unable to present any actual arguments? ;)

Why are the moderators repeatedly the ones being agressive and set on making things personal on this board? Someone should try loosen up a litle sometimes. Let's not loose track of the fact that we're discussing pop music here, not politics, piracy, OTB vs ITB or anything serious like that.

Cashing in on super shallow culture isn't good music in any possible case and even those paying for this garbage will probably admit that they don't find this track at all musically interesting and they really don't care about music in the first place anyway. It's more about fashion, irony, image, attitude or whatever non music related stuff.

There aren't enough drugs in this world to make this sound anything like half quality dancy electronic music would do on the worst piece of shitty home stereo, and the writers being ironic doesn't make it sound any better unfortunately. It's a chilling thought that this track will fit in nicely in an ocean of similarly horrible music being plaid at mainstream pop electronica clubs around the world every friday and saturday night and people should be allowed to point that out without being attacked for reminding other people how depressing the mainstream culture has become.

Re: #Selfie Synth

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:50 am
by tallowwaters
Nannerfan wrote:
tallowwaters wrote:Mindless songs about mindless activities completely lacking any grandiose pretense are far better than pretentious wankers masquerading behind their banal wheedling and calling it real 'art'. Oh, please define your 'progressiveness', 'pacing', and 'catchiness' while I fall asleep listening to your aural pablum.
:roll:.
I take it this is directed towards commodorejohn?
Not necessarily, as I'm not ridiculing anybody's music, merely adding some perspective using a previous comment as fodder. You'll meet tons of elitists in art school, 97% of them cranking out their own brand of banal elitist s**t.

My problem with commodorejohn is that I believe he is a myopic loudmouth that chimes in far too often espousing opinion as fact or universal truth. For instance, there are plenty of threads about synths/music/whatever here that I don't care much for, so I typically don't just post in them. I can't even understand the motivation to post sour opinion in such threads, but then again, I don't feel the need to beat people over the skull with my misguided beliefs. People that do s**t like this are obnoxious and typically stifle conversation (or make the conversation about them should somebody question said opinion).

Of course, since we're making this a generational issue, I guess I could just dismiss him and his ilk as a bunch of self-important and ultimately mediocre children, much like he does with anything he doesn't happen to like.

Re: #Selfie Synth

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:47 am
by commodorejohn
Mostly I just think it's kind of hilarious how you seem to think I'm some kind of hate gremlin derailing every single thread about something I don't like to be about how much I hate it, yet you yourself display something like five million times as much vitriol as I ever do when posting about how much you hate that I talk about my opinions on things in threads about those things.

Re: #Selfie Synth

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 6:23 am
by Algorithm
Earlier I was thinking about how personal experience has so much to do with opinion. I was especially focusing on distaste for something out of association... I have had relationships fail, where I would come to hate something for the sole reason of another person. Or bands I hated because certain people liked them, movies, tv, etc. If it was not for these people, I wonder if I would not have a reason. Maybe there would always be a reason...

Also, maybe commodorejohn was just genuinely concerned for the million that bought it. I have tried to reason with prostitutes, out of my concern. I have also seen 50 year old men realize the truth after 50 years of conditioning, just because someone brought their attention to a detail.

Re: #Selfie Synth

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:50 am
by SeventhStar
commodorejohn wrote:Mostly I just think it's kind of hilarious how you seem to think I'm some kind of hate gremlin derailing every single thread about something I don't like to be about how much I hate it, yet you yourself display something like five million times as much vitriol as I ever do when posting about how much you hate that I talk about my opinions on things in threads about those things.
I think what gets under Tallowwater's skin, is that you have a way of stating your opinion, at times, like it is rigid fact, and not just an opinion. Like instead of saying that something is utter s**t or garbage, in your opinion, you can make it sound like you've lowered the Judge's hammer, and anyone who may feel otherwise is an idiotic fool. And that kind of thing, if done repeatedly, can eventually culminate into a hostile response.

No one enjoys being told they are an idiot, or in complete lack of taste, for liking or being entertained by something, even if it is silly and ridiculous. It is not an attitude that harbors popularity among the participants in a thread (unless they happen to share your opinion, perhaps). People have a right to enjoy nonsensical things just as much as they do "fine craftsmanship". This is not the military, where the drill sergeant can dictate what the troops should be listening to.

Algorithm wrote: Also, maybe commodorejohn was just genuinely concerned for the million that bought it.
I kind of doubt that, but I could be wrong..

Re: #Selfie Synth

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 2:12 pm
by ninja6485
Nannerfan wrote:I found ninja's comments closes-minded and objectively ignorant.

To assume that, if you don't like the track then dance music just isn't for you? I know that isn't what he meant (I hope not). But he was too concerned with "saying that right thing" ... Why not just be blunt and speak your mind. I feel like a lot of people on forums today sound like they should be running for congss.
That's a new one.in what ways? And at least you acknowledged that your'e misquoting me...but why still do it? Ask for clarification if you're not clear. My definitive stance on that matter is in my post to AG.

This thread:
Op- How do you make a patch from this song?
A- this song sucks
B-yea, but some people enjoy it, maybe they see something in it that's worth listening to.
A- no, you're wrong, it sucks, admit that it sucks.

Re: #Selfie Synth

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:29 pm
by Nannerfan
A: anything that's worth listening to in the track has been overused hundreds of times in other tracks. And all of those tracks are just ripping off Speedy J's "Pullover".

Re: #Selfie Synth

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:31 pm
by Nannerfan
So where's the thread where all the open minded people defend Knickleback?

Re: #Selfie Synth

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:40 pm
by Sir Nose
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Wankers!









...me too

Re: #Selfie Synth

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:06 pm
by commodorejohn
Algorithm wrote:Also, maybe commodorejohn was just genuinely concerned for the million that bought it.
Only in a very abstract "what is the world coming to!?" sense.
SeventhStar wrote:I think what gets under Tallowwater's skin, is that you have a way of stating your opinion, at times, like it is rigid fact, and not just an opinion. Like instead of saying that something is utter s**t or garbage, in your opinion, you can make it sound like you've lowered the Judge's hammer, and anyone who may feel otherwise is an idiotic fool.
I really, really don't. I argue from the position that my opinions are correct because if I didn't believe they were, they wouldn't be my opinions - but I've never made any kind of claim to be the ultimate, infallible arbiter of truth. That's just what other people choose to read into it when I say what I think without feeling the need to preface every single statement of my opinion with an explicit "it is my opinion that:" because that should really go without saying.
People have a right to enjoy nonsensical things just as much as they do "fine craftsmanship". This is not the military, where the drill sergeant can dictate what the troops should be listening to.
Again, I never, ever said that. I don't care whether or not people enjoy c**p; I'm just not willing to pretend that it isn't c**p in an attempt to avoid ever possibly maybe theoretically hurting somebody's feelings. I don't get all worked up when tallowwaters refers to the kind of music I like as pretentious, noodly wankery, so I don't see why other people can't suck it up and deal when confronted with a negative opinion about something they like.