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Which Synth Should Be Set on Fire?

Casio VL-1
8
6%
Yamaha DX-7
4
3%
Korg Poly-800
12
9%
Wurlitzer Orbit
6
5%
Korg Monotron
19
15%
Roland AIRA TB-3
17
13%
Yamaha GX-1
4
3%
Casiotone 401
16
13%
Roland Juno 106
7
5%
Yamaha PSR-36
14
11%
Korg MicroKorg
17
13%
Casio CZ-101
4
3%
 
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Re: which synth should be set on fire?

Post by tallowwaters » Sat Sep 27, 2014 3:40 pm

Hybrid88 wrote:Has to be the Microkorg. Not because it's a bad synth, but because of the people that use it...

If burning one saves us from yet another hipster indie band that's money well spent :lol:
I would venture to say that far worse music has been made with a Moog of some sort.

Reference every album from the 70s that uses a Minimoog.
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Re: which synth should be set on fire?

Post by commodorejohn » Sat Sep 27, 2014 4:28 pm

No album from the '70s was as terrible as modern indie hipster bands.
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Re: which synth should be set on fire?

Post by ninja6485 » Sat Sep 27, 2014 5:13 pm

commodorejohn wrote:No album from the '70s was as terrible as modern indie hipster bands.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
You sir, do not browse enough bargain bins looking for 70's vinyl. There's A LOT of c**p from the 70's. There's a lot of c**p now. There's just a lot of c**p period! :lol:
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Re: which synth should be set on fire?

Post by commodorejohn » Sun Sep 28, 2014 4:50 pm

ninja6485 wrote:You sir, do not browse enough bargain bins looking for 70's vinyl.
To the contrary, it's one of my chief hobbies :D

Yes, there's plenty of c**p from all periods of history. Sturgeon's Law as a general truth remains pretty much right on. However, I don't buy the modern notion that every era is no better or worse than any other, and I honestly have never heard anything from the '70s that matches modern "indie" bands for the combination of sheer narcissism and absolute stultifying boredom. Even the worst of the '70s had that breathtaking silliness that allows it to be enjoyed in a so-bad-it's-good fashion, like Battlefield Earth; modern indie is just so-bad-it's-unremarkable.
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Re: which synth should be set on fire?

Post by ninja6485 » Sun Sep 28, 2014 7:38 pm

commodorejohn wrote:No album from the '70s was as terrible as modern indie hipster bands.
commodorejohn wrote: I honestly have never heard anything from the '70s that matches modern "indie" bands for the combination of sheer narcissism and absolute stultifying boredom.
Ok, so which is it? You said no album was as terrible as modern indie bands, but now it seems like it's not enough for the album to just be terrible, it has to terrible in that it's boring and narcissistic? And now if it's terrible but somehow funny, it doesn't count as being terrible. What new ad hoc criteria will we have to wheel in after we point out a bunch of albums that are just as boring and narcissistic, but also not funny? I suspect there will be no satisfying answer.

Beyond this, arguing against the notion that every era is no better or worse than any other, in this thread, as a response to my post (as if it's somehow the idea that I'm presenting against what you posted), is all kinds of fallacious. I doubt anyone gives a s**t anyway! ;) I suggest we abandon this bullshit and get back on topic.
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Re: which synth should be set on fire?

Post by commodorejohn » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:08 pm

ninja6485 wrote:Ok, so which is it? You said no album was as terrible as modern indie bands, but now it seems like it's not enough for the album to just be terrible, it has to terrible in that it's boring and narcissistic? And now if it's terrible but somehow funny, it doesn't count as being terrible. What new ad hoc criteria will we have to wheel in after we point out a bunch of albums that are just as boring and narcissistic, but also not funny? I suspect there will be no satisfying answer.
It's not a new or ad-hoc criteria - I've always held that something that is terrible in an entertaining way is much preferable to something that's merely terrible in a boring way, and I'm not at all alone in that view. Mystery Science Theater 3000 was based on that notion.
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Re: which synth should be set on fire?

Post by ninja6485 » Sun Sep 28, 2014 9:15 pm

:banghead:
This looks like a psychotropic reaction. No wonder it's so popular...

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Re: which synth should be set on fire?

Post by tallowwaters » Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:14 pm

commodorejohn wrote:No album from the '70s was as terrible as modern indie hipster bands.

What were the 70s like for you, John?

commodorejohn wrote:[nothing] matches modern "indie" bands for the combination of sheer narcissism and absolute stultifying boredom.
*cough*irony*cough*
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Re: which synth should be set on fire?

Post by commodorejohn » Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:40 pm

tallowwaters wrote:What were the 70s like for you, John?
A pretty mellow fifteen years of waiting to be born.
*cough*irony*cough*
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Re: which synth should be set on fire?

Post by Re-Member » Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:47 pm

commodorejohn wrote:I've always held that something that is terrible in an entertaining way is much preferable to something that's merely terrible in a boring way, and I'm not at all alone in that view. Mystery Science Theater 3000 was based on that notion.
The problem with what classifies something as "terribly entertaining" is that a lot of it only becomes so in retrospect. Even MST3K rarely showcased modern movies during its own production time. Also, the term "indie " in itself isn't genre specific.

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Post by commodorejohn » Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:02 pm

Re-Member wrote:The problem with what classifies something as "terribly entertaining" is that a lot of it only becomes so in retrospect. Even MST3K rarely showcased modern movies during its own production time.
I disagree. People are perfectly able to spot contemporary so-bad-it's-funny material; witness the cult following that The Room acquired in the very same decade it was released, or the people who understood the appeal of "camp" and were writing about it back when the rest of the world still took that kind of thing halfway seriously.

(And for MST3K specifically, it's true that they didn't do many contemporary films, but I suspect that had a lot more to do with it taking much longer for word to get around in the pre- and early-Internet era. And the couple '90s films I can think of off the top of my head - Werewolf and Quest of the Delta Knights - were a couple of the best episodes they ever did.)
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Re: which synth should be set on fire?

Post by Re-Member » Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:44 pm

I think the point I was trying to make is that there are exceptions to the rule which only time will tell. I look back at old pictures of how I used to dress in the late 80s when I thought I was one of the "hip kids" at school and cringe with laughter today. :lol: Likewise, I'm sure a handful of people that got caught up in the Disco movement of the 70s probably have the same reaction when they look back in retrospect. It's worth pointing out that Disco was equally lambasted as being boring and narcissistic in its prime... and by hippies, rockers and punks no less. Yet we can all look back and laugh at it today.
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Re: which synth should be set on fire?

Post by Jabberwalky » Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:53 pm

Mst3k did movies that were no longer under copyright.

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Re: which synth should be set on fire?

Post by ninja6485 » Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:01 pm

Don't play into this red herring.
commodorejohn wrote:
ninja6485 wrote:Ok, so which is it? You said no album was as terrible as modern indie bands, but now it seems like it's not enough for the album to just be terrible, it has to terrible in that it's boring and narcissistic? And now if it's terrible but somehow funny, it doesn't count as being terrible. What new ad hoc criteria will we have to wheel in after we point out a bunch of albums that are just as boring and narcissistic, but also not funny? I suspect there will be no satisfying answer.
It's not a new or ad-hoc criteria - I've always held that something that is terrible in an entertaining way is much preferable to something that's merely terrible in a boring way, and I'm not at all alone in that view. Mystery Science Theater 3000 was based on that notion.
"It" is ad hoc criteria, since you wheeled in the criteria of being 'boring and narcissistic, but not funny,' in order to save your point after it was made clear that you were wrong in asserting that no album from the 70's is as terrible as modern indie music. But the criteria is irrelevant: something can be just as terrible as something else, even if only one of those things is terrible in that it's boring and narcissistic. Both can be funny, neither can be funny, or any combination of one being funny and the other not, can occur while maintaining that each is as terrible as the other. If we start to play games where now things have to conform to additional ways of being terrible to specifically save one type of thing, these additions are ad hoc. The new criteria is thus clearly ad hoc criteria.

furthermore, the proceeding discussion of whether terrible things are funny is an irrelevant red herring, meant to shift the focus of the discussion off this another topic. Although the criteria was introduced only after your initial assertion was challenged, and perhaps "new," I clearly asked: "What new ad hoc criteria will we have to wheel in after we point out a bunch of albums that are just as boring and narcissistic, but also not funny?" This is not calling the ad hoc criteria new, it's asking what further ad hoc criteria will you wheel out to save this dying point? to which I suggested that "I suspect there will be no satisfying answer." Though you quoted my post, you clearly did not read it, or comprehend anything that I wrote.:idea: . Hence:
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Re: which synth should be set on fire?

Post by synthroom » Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:08 pm

I'm surprised the DX-7 isn't getting votes.
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