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Re: Behringer discussing making ARP Odyssey now

Post by calaverasgrande » Sat Dec 27, 2014 5:05 am

I'm not even going to bite on that 'whats wrong with Behringer' trolling.
You would have to have just gotten into music gear last week not to know by now.

As far as why would Behringer release an Oddysey?
Well let me just say that at nearly every company I have worked for the people who run the company social media are often the youngest possible employees. Sometimes even interns.
They tend to have a bad habit of treating the corporate accounts almost as blithely as they do their own. So no surprise if this is just click bait. ROFL, OMG, #selfie.

About the (mini)Koddysey;
I do kind of find it hard to play on the tinier keys, but honestly, if it really gets in the way, use another keyboard to control it via CV/Gate (or hopefully) midi.
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Re: Behringer discussing making ARP Odyssey now

Post by Rokk » Sat Dec 27, 2014 4:44 pm

If Korg's Odyssey has mini keys, then Behringer can justify their remake of Odyssey by making it full-sizerd with addition of memory and full midi.

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Re: Behringer discussing making ARP Odyssey now

Post by calaverasgrande » Sat Dec 27, 2014 7:20 pm

I do gotta add, I am starting to grow weary of the zombie brand thing.
Just pick up a music catalogue from 'Musicians Friend' or similar. A large portion of the brands, especially for guitarists and recordists, are revivifications of marques from the 60s or 70s.
I suppose that some of these are tangentially related to the original. They have on staff one or more of the old guys who were there "when the magic happened'.
But it seems there is some obscure legal sleight of hand going on. Brands that may have been left derelict after bankruptcy are now showing up again. Often with products that bear no resemblance to the original product line.

Even if they do retain some of the brain trust, or even principal designers, it does not mean they will repeat history. They often come out with one re-issue which is universally praised. Then the inevitable series of ugly derivations.
This should not be a surprise. Arp, Korg, Moog and even guitar brands like Fender had as many misses as they had hits under the helm of their original designers.
We just applaud them for their great stuff, not the hunchbacked mistakes.
But these new ones seem to use a 'fully discrete, all tube, analog' re-issue as a halo product to attract users to buy their all-IC, virtual, solidstate, made in China knock offs.

It bears pointing out that people change over time as well. Electrical engineers discover new solutions to problems. Become enamored of new technologies. No surprise then that current Rupert Neve preamps do not sound like 1073's.
As far as Arp Oddysey re-issues. I think it will be fun if both companies bring product to market and we get to see comparisons. Original, Korg and Behringer. Though I still hold that a lot of what we crave in this older gear is not the design topology, but the age itself. Nothing like the sound and smell of vintage gear.
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Re: Behringer discussing making ARP Odyssey now

Post by supermel74 » Sat Dec 27, 2014 9:15 pm

Why are people still skeptical whenever news of a new product pops up even though in almost every single case the product has turned out to be real? Behringer will produce an Odyssey. It's not click bait.

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Re: Behringer discussing making ARP Odyssey now

Post by GuyaGuy » Sat Dec 27, 2014 9:23 pm

calaverasgrande wrote: But it seems there is some obscure legal sleight of hand going on. Brands that may have been left derelict after bankruptcy are now showing up again. Often with products that bear no resemblance to the original product line.
I agree with most of your points but there's not much in the way of "obscure legal sleight of hand" really. No one used ARP for a long time, Korg bought it: http://www.trademarkia.com/arp-86198994.html You or I could have if we had the inclination and cash.

There's no legal responsibility for the new owners to make the same type of gear under a trademark. (See GC's DSP Acoustic amps or Fender's sub-Squier brand "Starcaster.") But it obviously is an advantage to leverage the retro-chic clout of the trademark even if the new versions are only inspired by the originals. (See the Acoustic bass amp resissues or Fender's new Starcaster guitars and basses.) It's nothing new and happened back in the 60s and 70s too.

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Re: Behringer discussing making ARP Odyssey now

Post by abruzzi » Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:12 pm

supermel74 wrote:Why are people still skeptical whenever news of a new product pops up even though in almost every single case the product has turned out to be real? Behringer will produce an Odyssey. It's not click bait.
I think the skepticism is based on the timing. A month ago Behringer made a lot of noise about reproducing the Curtis/SSM chips and building a poly synth. It wasn't a product announcement, just a "hey, we're working on this." They haven't yet shown designs, specs, etc, but only a month later they are now teasing an odyssey clone using vague language like "would you like us to build this for $500?" And that tease is timed to one up the imminent release of the Korg Odyssey.

It happens all the time in the tech world. Apple plans a demo to reveal a new feature, so that same week, before the apple announcement happens, Google or Samsung or Microsoft hold a press conference to tout a feature that is similar to what people are expecting from apple. It doesn't matter wether Google feature is better or worse than the apple feature, the timing is intended to take some of the wind from Apple's sails (sales.). It doesn't matter if Behringer ever makes an Odyssey clone. Some people will believe them. When the Korg version comes out at $800 or $1000, some people will say 'but the Behringer one is going to be $500!' So they'll hold off their sales. A year later Behringer will or or will not ship their odyssey. Either way they've convinced some people to not buy the Korg on the possibility that they might make one.

What Behringer announced would take a day to whip up. Maybe a few more if you want to accurately assess the production cost of such a device. But to build a production ready device will take closer to a year. So if you've already invested 9 months in development, why announce it in the form of a question? Why not come straight out and announce the Behringer Odyssey with a ship date and official price?

I'm not saying they won't make one, just that it's less than certain, especially given that they've never shipped a synth before, they've now kind of announced several products with no firm specs and and no firm shipping date.

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Re: Behringer discussing making ARP Odyssey now

Post by calaverasgrande » Sat Dec 27, 2014 11:29 pm

Behringer so far has only made keyboard controllers. Korg has made pretty much every kind of synth gear at one point or another. Behringer has more to prove here. I'm still not convinced that they can make an analog synth that scales well and stays in tune enough to record with.
If either of the two fields a VA version of the Arp, I'd expect it to be Behringer.
Though to be fair, of the recent VAs I have checked out, Korgs are the least c**p.
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Re: Behringer discussing making ARP Odyssey now

Post by zmd » Sun Dec 28, 2014 12:20 am

Think it's possible behringer made the announcement as a kick in the pants to korg?

Sort of a "if you don't, we will"
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Re: Behringer discussing making ARP Odyssey now

Post by tomorrowstops » Sun Dec 28, 2014 1:32 am

zmd wrote:Think it's possible behringer made the announcement as a kick in the pants to korg?

Sort of a "if you don't, we will"
That would be the coolest use of a powerful company's social media - but I kind of doubt it.

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Re: Behringer discussing making ARP Odyssey now

Post by SSquirrel » Sun Dec 28, 2014 2:17 am

calaverasgrande wrote:Behringer so far has only made keyboard controllers. Korg has made pretty much every kind of synth gear at one point or another. Behringer has more to prove here. I'm still not convinced that they can make an analog synth that scales well and stays in tune enough to record with.
If either of the two fields a VA version of the Arp, I'd expect it to be Behringer.
Though to be fair, of the recent VAs I have checked out, Korgs are the least c**p.
Replace Behringer with Arturia and you have half the posts about the Minibrute between its announcement and release :)

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Re: Behringer discussing making ARP Odyssey now

Post by calaverasgrande » Sun Dec 28, 2014 3:56 am

SSquirrel wrote:
calaverasgrande wrote:Behringer so far has only made keyboard controllers. Korg has made pretty much every kind of synth gear at one point or another. Behringer has more to prove here. I'm still not convinced that they can make an analog synth that scales well and stays in tune enough to record with.
If either of the two fields a VA version of the Arp, I'd expect it to be Behringer.
Though to be fair, of the recent VAs I have checked out, Korgs are the least c**p.
Replace Behringer with Arturia and you have half the posts about the Minibrute between its announcement and release :)
Well yes and no.
Arturia had a long history in VA well before they debuted the Brute.
Of course programing C is not the same as electrical engineering. But that only matters at the engineer level.
The project managers, marketing, and other functionary positions in the company would not need to be educated about some new product lines' features. An LFO is an LFO. A filter is a filter.
The magazines, trade shows and websites used to market the synth are pretty much the same as well.
I will admit that I was one of those naysayers who scoffed at the idea that a VA specialist could cross over to hardware so effortlessly.

Behhringer has more of an uphill battle in this regard because not only is it more of a brand new product segment to them. But they have kind of a rep as a cheap brand for amateurs that you move past if you can afford to.
But then I do think they probably move more product than Arturia, and have greater resources to bring to bear.
So far though all we see from Behringer are pie in the sky what ifs. No product release dates, even if those are pushed back!
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Re: Behringer discussing making ARP Odyssey now

Post by commodorejohn » Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:30 am

Of course, Arturia made the smart choice and brought in a guy with longtime experience in actual analog hardware to help them make the jump. If Behringer has done any such thing, they certainly don't seem to be telling anyone.
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Re: Behringer discussing making ARP Odyssey now

Post by SSquirrel » Sun Dec 28, 2014 4:33 am

All valid points calaverasgrande. I'm very interested in the Korg version, if the price is as reasonable as the MS20 Mini (which is still on my want list), but I'm also willing to consider Behringer produces a good product. Even if they do have more misses than hits (which seems to be the usual online story), everyone has an occasional product that they nail. We can hope that if they attempt their own take, that this will be one of the solid ones.

In the meantime, I just want an Odyssey on my desk that doesn't take auctioning a kidney to afford :)

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Re: Behringer discussing making ARP Odyssey now

Post by gs » Tue Dec 30, 2014 7:16 pm

Whatever people here may think about Behringer as company (based on past products/history), they are quickly moving up the chain of command.

We used to laugh at Casio and their cheap home keyboards; now they are a market leader in good quality stage pianos and synths.
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Re: Behringer discussing making ARP Odyssey now

Post by Walter Ego » Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:11 am

gs wrote:Whatever people here may think about Behringer as company (based on past products/history), they are quickly moving up the chain of command.

We used to laugh at Casio and their cheap home keyboards; now they are a market leader in good quality stage pianos and synths.
Casio still makes laughable stuff. But when is "used to"? They're first keyboard hit the market in '79 (VL-1 and Casiotone 101 were two of the first) or so and they made some pretty decent home boards. Already by 1984 they had entered the pro market with the CZ line, and made pro gear into the early '90s. They didn't re-enter the serious market until 2013 though. Which synths are they currently a market leader in? I think the XW-P1 and its close cousin are the only ones on the market. People still use their CZ/VZ/FZ lines (I have a growing soft spot for them)...But I imagine the vast majority of their business is still in cheesy home boards.
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