New hybrid digital/analogue Roland JD/Xi

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Re: New hybrid digital/analogue Roland Synth?

Post by commodorejohn » Fri Jan 02, 2015 8:40 pm

If this is true then it's about f**k' time. But I'd be much more interested if they'd just make a version with the analogue components and not make you buy some fancy-schmancy modeling synth on top of that.
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Re: New hybrid digital/analogue Roland Synth?

Post by Z » Sat Jan 03, 2015 12:34 am

Stab Frenzy wrote:
Z wrote:WTF is up with all the synths with minikeys these days. Some of us actually PLAY our synths.

However, I am intrigued by the x0x programming grid.
Mini keys are cheaper to produce and sell better, and synth manufacturers are more interested in making money than in making you or anyone else happy. Don't blame the manufacturers, blame the people who made the microkorg the best selling synth of the last ten years.
I understand keeping costs down with mini keys and/or 25 note keyboards, but c'mon, it won't cost much more for proper sized keys and another octave or two. Yes, I understand that in addition to the cost of the larger keys and extra octave(s), there's also the cost of the synth's chassis to accommodate said keys.

I'm not a DSI fan, but there's plenty of people buying their product that aren't just "latch an arpeggiator or sequencer and go" for other manufacturers to see that there is still a demand for "SYNTH" players that actually PLAY.
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Re: New hybrid digital/analogue Roland Synth?

Post by visceralvoids » Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:07 am

Z wrote:WTF is up with all the synths with minikeys these days. Some of us actually PLAY our synths.
I'll tell you what they should have done - just use the GAIA keybed on this new model. Roland have always used excellent keybeds on their synths so it sucks to see them take the mini-keys route. JP-8000's 49-key setup was great, tough and sturdy but still easy to play.

Curious about the JD name on this new guy (?)

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Re: New hybrid digital/analogue Roland Synth?

Post by ranzee » Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:20 am

First info:
analog synthesis with TRI, SQUARE & SAW waveforms + SUBoscillator PULSE/SQUARE
digital analog modeling synthesis from Roland SYSTEM-1
analog LPF
digital filters from SYSTEM-1
vocoder with MIC input
TB-303 style sequencer
LFO with TRI, SQUARE, SAW & SH waveforms
37 Keys keyboard (mini-keys, keyboard has Velocity)
2-part digital synthesis, 1-part analog synthesis, 1-part Vocoder

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Re: New hybrid digital/analogue Roland Synth?

Post by meatballfulton » Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:21 am

Re-Member wrote:TB-303 style sequencer
OMG that was one of the worst step sequencers ever designed :shock:
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Re: New hybrid digital/analogue Roland Synth?

Post by Infrasound » Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:34 am

ranzee wrote:First info:
analog synthesis with TRI, SQUARE & SAW waveforms + SUBoscillator PULSE/SQUARE
digital analog modeling synthesis from Roland SYSTEM-1
analog LPF
digital filters from SYSTEM-1
vocoder with MIC input
TB-303 style sequencer
LFO with TRI, SQUARE, SAW & SH waveforms
37 Keys keyboard (mini-keys, keyboard has Velocity)
2-part digital synthesis, 1-part analog synthesis, 1-part Vocoder
Now that seems even weirder!

Why would they have analogue, and 'digital analog modeling' together? It's very different to the DSI Evolver hybrid approach - I wonder what benefit there is to this type of design, or if it's more of a marketing decision?
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Re: New hybrid digital/analogue Roland Synth?

Post by Swayze » Sat Jan 03, 2015 1:50 am

"What I'd like to see from Roland is something new. Perhaps an analog/digital hybrid with a dual vco mono section and a digital poly section with analog filters. They could save a little on cost that way without sacrificing tone. Throw in a ton of digital fx and modulation routings. Is that to much to ask?"

I said that back in 2013. This new JD synth could tick some of these boxes, but there's no guarantee it will be polyphonic or have dual vco's either.

I basically asked for an SH-2 + JD800 w/ analog filters. Sounds expensive but it's what I really want.

Roland draws features out of a hat, develops a Frankensynth, then slaps "JD" on there.

They're definitely getting warmer, but Jesus what's with them?

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Re: New hybrid digital/analogue Roland Synth?

Post by moremagic » Sat Jan 03, 2015 2:00 am

^^^^^^
how are you hoping they implement the analog mono into the hybrid poly, make it multitimbral with that just another timbre & dedicated knobs or ? ?
its an intereting idea, im curious to hear more of what youd want there.
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Stab Frenzy wrote:
Z wrote:WTF is up with all the synths with minikeys these days. Some of us actually PLAY our synths.

However, I am intrigued by the x0x programming grid.
Mini keys are cheaper to produce and sell better, and synth manufacturers are more interested in making money than in making you or anyone else happy. Don't blame the manufacturers, blame the people who made the microkorg the best selling synth of the last ten years.
or just blame ussachevsky & carlos for telling bob moog a keyboard would be a logical addition to a synthesizer in the first place :D

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Re: New hybrid digital/analogue Roland Synth?

Post by ranzee » Sat Jan 03, 2015 5:08 am

perhaps they're trying to build a synth that will appease to everyone who are willing to compromise?

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Re: New hybrid digital/analogue Roland Synth?

Post by Hybrid88 » Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:24 am

ranzee wrote:First info:
analog synthesis with TRI, SQUARE & SAW waveforms + SUBoscillator PULSE/SQUARE
digital analog modeling synthesis from Roland SYSTEM-1
analog LPF
digital filters from SYSTEM-1
vocoder with MIC input
TB-303 style sequencer
LFO with TRI, SQUARE, SAW & SH waveforms
37 Keys keyboard (mini-keys, keyboard has Velocity)
2-part digital synthesis, 1-part analog synthesis, 1-part Vocoder
Trustworthy source for that info?

Until any of it is certain I'm talking all of this with a huge grain of salt, given that people were swearing and declaring the TR-8 was going to be analog...

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Re: New hybrid digital/analogue Roland Synth?

Post by alan partridge » Sat Jan 03, 2015 8:50 am

Those specs were posted by a gearslutz admin on their special NAMM forum, so you'd have to think they're pretty reliable. I find this synth very interesting. It's different.

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Re: New hybrid digital/analogue Roland Synth?

Post by Hybrid88 » Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:40 am

Well I guess we'll find out, should be an interesting Namm for once :)

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Re: New hybrid digital/analogue Roland Synth?

Post by Rokk » Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:50 am

Folks at Roland just don't get it. It's that simple. They don't get it at all. Ever since the introduction of their grooveboxes in the 90's they've regularly missed it practically on every single synth they released. V-synth line and JP8000/8080 being exceptions. They and Yamaha always have to screw up somewhere.
And this JD-Xi is a great example of this and we don't even need to hear it as the design choices that are apparent now are really weird. Polysynth with minikeys and again plastic body with stupid soft, spongy, toyish buttons. I mean, even if it sounds good I won't be tempted to buy it. I would have to sound extremely good in order for me to overlook it's aesthetics and minikeys.

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Re: New hybrid digital/analogue Roland Synth?

Post by alan partridge » Sat Jan 03, 2015 9:55 am

With this kind of mix of analog and digital features there's all sorts of potential for interesting results. I would very much say wait to hear it before passing judgement.
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Re: New hybrid digital/analogue Roland Synth?

Post by commodorejohn » Sat Jan 03, 2015 10:22 am

I still can't bring myself to believe that Roland has finally gotten on board the analog-renaissance train, not with the attitude they've shown towards it thus far. I can't help but suspect it's actually another company stooping to misleading labelling of a virtual-analog device as "analog," Gearslutz post notwithstanding.
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