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Re: Prophet 6

Post by jonasbjarki » Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:04 pm

The Specs on the DSI site don't list a relatch function, but DSI replied to me on FB and assured me that the unit does indeed have relatch, like on the Mopho x4. Right on!

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Re: Prophet 6

Post by silikon » Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:14 pm

Good luck getting vintage out of a brand new synth that uses brand new, modern, components.

Be happy that he's releasing a modern VCO polysynth larger than 4 voices for under $3k USD. Approach it as a new synth and staaaaahp with the endless attempts to equate it to a Prophet 5. Blimey. You lot will find any reason to whine about anything.

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Re: Prophet 6

Post by CfNorENa » Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:27 pm

silikon wrote:Be happy that he's releasing a modern VCO polysynth larger than 4 voices for under $3k USD. Approach it as a new synth and staaaaahp with the endless attempts to equate it to a Prophet 5. Blimey. You lot will find any reason to whine about anything.
I knew someone would write something like this. Look, I think it's FANTASTIC that this product exists, especially at this price point. I'm sure it will sell like hotcakes, and people will make a lot of great music with it. I'm not complaining or whining about anything. I may even get it myself and unload my Prophet 5 in the process -- I'd LOVE an extra voice, MIDI, and all the various bells and whistles that it brings to the table.

But from what I'm hearing so far -- just internet demos, obviously -- it doesn't really have the "vintage tone" that is a key feature of the marketing of this synth, nor do the filters sound very much like the "original Prophet," which is another key feature of the marketing (in other words, up to a point, Dave Smith is himself trying to "equate" it to a Prophet 5).

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Re: Prophet 6

Post by rob_lee » Fri Jan 23, 2015 6:48 pm

Dave Smith said the P6 had the same filter as the Pro2 however each to their own. As for me, I'm gonna buy it "WYSIWYG" suits me fine. The synth sounds top notch to my ears just like the Pro2 did so I'll have this one too.

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Re: Prophet 6

Post by CfNorENa » Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:02 pm

rob_lee wrote:Dave Smith said the P6 had the same filter as the Pro2.
Right -- but he has also said that that filter "was inspired by" or "modeled on" the "original" Prophet (i.e., the rev1/2, with the SSM chips).

I agree, of course, that all of this technical mumbo-jumbo doesn't really matter if it sounds good!

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Re: Prophet 6

Post by silikon » Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:04 pm

CfNorENa wrote:
silikon wrote:Be happy that he's releasing a modern VCO polysynth larger than 4 voices for under $3k USD. Approach it as a new synth and staaaaahp with the endless attempts to equate it to a Prophet 5. Blimey. You lot will find any reason to whine about anything.
I knew someone would write something like this. Look, I think it's FANTASTIC that this product exists, especially at this price point. I'm sure it will sell like hotcakes, and people will make a lot of great music with it. I'm not complaining or whining about anything. I may even get it myself and unload my Prophet 5 in the process -- I'd LOVE an extra voice, MIDI, and all the various bells and whistles that it brings to the table.

But from what I'm hearing so far -- just internet demos, obviously -- it doesn't really have the "vintage tone" that is a key feature of the marketing of this synth, nor do the filters sound very much like the "original Prophet," which is another key feature of the marketing (in other words, up to a point, Dave Smith is himself trying to "equate" it to a Prophet 5).
I think you should do an impartial test; procure a P6, and sit the both side-by-side, you know, for science. I'd offer up if my studio wasn't obliterated at this point in my life. I deplore marketing tactics. I look at the 'vintage tone' marketing to be "Hey, this has a VCO, it's gonna drift like 'Fast and Furious'", and the filter ... perhaps the same circuit, so there's that equation.

Well, I don't know anymore. Such a subjective concept anyhow; one person hears vintage tone, the other hears cold and sterile. If I can ever recoup the losses of the last two years, I'll certainly get one -- but not because it possesses some magical vintage voodoo... but due to the fact that thus far, I've enjoyed the vast majority of Dave's recent instruments (and still pine to get a Poly Evolver back... God I loved that synth</digress>).

I do agree with the sentiment that it doesn't sound too vintage. I'm kind of happy about that, myself. I'm of the mindset that we need more 'different' and less re-hash anyhow.
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Re: Prophet 6

Post by Bitexion » Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:06 pm

You know why it doesn't sound "vintage"? Because it isn't.

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Re: Prophet 6

Post by rob_lee » Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:13 pm

CfNorENa wrote: I agree, of course, that all of this technical mumbo-jumbo doesn't really matter if it sounds good!
Exactly! If it sounds good to the user then that's all that matters. The BIG thing for me as I repeat again is the "WYSIWYG" that's a massive plus for straight up hands on control, as for sounds... well I never blame my tools :-)

For me the PROPHET 6 is the highlight of NAMM 2015.

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Re: Prophet 6

Post by rob_lee » Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:19 pm

You people in the US can get your pre orders in at the JRR Shop at $2799

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Re: Prophet 6

Post by ninja6485 » Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:20 pm

I've always been underwhelmed by the sound of DSI stuff, but the sound of the Prophet 6 from what we can hear does inspire a distant glimmer of swooning... There's something very different about how this sounds compared to the DSI stuff. I like it. Might just be the VCO's?
This looks like a psychotropic reaction. No wonder it's so popular...

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Re: Prophet 6

Post by Walter Ego » Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:22 pm

rob_lee wrote:
CfNorENa wrote: I agree, of course, that all of this technical mumbo-jumbo doesn't really matter if it sounds good!
Exactly! If it sounds good to the user then that's all that matters. The BIG thing for me as I repeat again is the "WYSIWYG" that's a massive plus for straight up hands on control, as for sounds... well I never blame my tools :-)

For me the PROPHET 6 is the highlight of NAMM 2015.
I actually believe it when Dave says, "everyone already knows how to play it". I may be jumping the gun, but I feel a great deal of attraction to this synth. I too have been pining to get a Jupiter 6 again, but this actually changes the game. I know the two are different synths with a different palette and all that, but part of the beauty of the JP-6 is how intuitive it is to play. I can very easily imagine grooving for hours in the same way with the new P-6. It even has an ARP trigger in. I can feel the mojo, just from the videos.

When I think about the P-6, which could come with a warranty, customer support, and modern specs compared to a 30+ year old Jupiter, it certainly causes me to think twice.
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Re: Prophet 6

Post by rob_lee » Fri Jan 23, 2015 7:30 pm

Walter Ego wrote: I actually believe it when Dave says, "everyone already knows how to play it". I may be jumping the gun, but I feel a great deal of attraction to this synth.
Yeah the attraction was instant for me too on this just as it was with the pro2. I wasn't gonna buy nothing else this year but Mr Smith changed my mind when he unveiled this one lol..

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Re: Prophet 6

Post by moremagic » Fri Jan 23, 2015 8:05 pm

i guess its understood that the egs & lfo will be digital. i wonder if theres only one lfo for the synth or if its per voice, though i dont imagine independent lfos would matter to much except for sample & hold. as long as the egs are faster than the 600's

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Re: Prophet 6

Post by Sir Ruff » Fri Jan 23, 2015 8:31 pm

moremagic wrote:as long as the egs are faster than the 600's
they definitely sound fast from the demos, although I never found the P-600s envelopes to be especially slow to begin with (especially compared to other mid-80s ana--digi hybrid stuff).
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Re: Prophet 6

Post by commodorejohn » Fri Jan 23, 2015 8:43 pm

moremagic wrote:i guess its understood that the egs & lfo will be digital. i wonder if theres only one lfo for the synth or if its per voice, though i dont imagine independent lfos would matter to much except for sample & hold. as long as the egs are faster than the 600's
I'm curious, where did you hear this? It doesn't say anything about it on their site, and I didn't hear anything about it in the various NAMM videos.
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