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Ultimate Cheap Cheesy but programmable digital synth

Post by monolith » Sat Feb 28, 2015 12:11 am

What's the best synth for those bad '90's new age/dolphins/crystals/infomercial sounds?
In my head the trademark sound is that wind chime like attack sound layered with a warm juno-esque pad - and from what I know of its architecture the Roland D-50 sounds like it would be great for that, or maybe a Yamaha SY22?


I'd really like something affordable but programmable - and not a Kurzweil or Yamaha DX. Any suggestions?

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Re: Ultimate Cheap Cheesy but programmable digital synth

Post by meatballfulton » Sat Feb 28, 2015 12:20 am

The D50 is the iconic synth for that, to a lesser extent the Korg M1.

The main competitors of the period were the Ensoniq VFX and Kawai K4.

I wouldn't out the SY22 in the same category at all...it was a budget synth, lower fidelity and most importantly has no filters of any kind. It's also currently overpriced in my opinion.
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Re: Ultimate Cheap Cheesy but programmable digital synth

Post by max badwan » Sat Feb 28, 2015 12:26 am

You could throw in Roland JV's for that sort of thing.

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Re: Ultimate Cheap Cheesy but programmable digital synth

Post by ninja6485 » Sat Feb 28, 2015 12:45 am

I think the patch you're imagining is the korg M1's universe patch. Anything with a bank of pcm waveforms will get you in that territory - and one that people might not think of off hand is the korg wavestation.
This looks like a psychotropic reaction. No wonder it's so popular...

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Re: Ultimate Cheap Cheesy but programmable digital synth

Post by monolith » Sat Feb 28, 2015 12:45 am

meatballfulton wrote:The D50 is the iconic synth for that, to a lesser extent the Korg M1.

The main competitors of the period were the Ensoniq VFX and Kawai K4.

I wouldn't out the SY22 in the same category at all...it was a budget synth, lower fidelity and most importantly has no filters of any kind. It's also currently overpriced in my opinion.

I didnt think of the ensoniqs, good suggestion.

As for the SY-22, i've found one locally for $120 AU in a flight case with a sustain pedal - that seems an OK price. Low fidelity is absolutely fine by me. :mrgreen:

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Re: Ultimate Cheap Cheesy but programmable digital synth

Post by synthparts » Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:04 am

M3R or D-110
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Re: Ultimate Cheap Cheesy but programmable digital synth

Post by meatballfulton » Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:11 am

monolith wrote:As for the SY-22, i've found one locally for $120 AU in a flight case with a sustain pedal
Based on what I hear about prices in AUD that's dirt cheap, way less than current USA prices. Sure, for that money I would go for it.

But it won't sound like a D50 or M1 ;)
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Re: Ultimate Cheap Cheesy but programmable digital synth

Post by ninja6485 » Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:17 am

Didn't the D50 do the star trek TNG intro?
This looks like a psychotropic reaction. No wonder it's so popular...

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Re: Ultimate Cheap Cheesy but programmable digital synth

Post by monolith » Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:33 am

Sy-22 seems like a good one to try, that sound 10 seconds in to this video nails what i've got in mind.





I'll definitely keep an eye out for a D-50 though. How hard are they to program?

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Re: Ultimate Cheap Cheesy but programmable digital synth

Post by Chewy » Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:41 am

Yeah, SY-22s have been going for more than they really should, but since you found one at a reasonable price, I say go for it! I personally think the SY-22,-35, and TG-33 look/sound kinda cool, but I've never played one

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Re: Ultimate Cheap Cheesy but programmable digital synth

Post by ninja6485 » Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:47 am

So it's not this patch you're thinking of? This is hard to beat when it comes to the sound you're describing! ;)
This looks like a psychotropic reaction. No wonder it's so popular...

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Re: Ultimate Cheap Cheesy but programmable digital synth

Post by monolith » Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:11 am

ninja6485 wrote:So it's not this patch you're thinking of? This is hard to beat when it comes to the sound you're describing! ;)
Oh it certainly nails the new age dolphin music vibe, but lacks that digital chimey sound on the attack of the notes. I'd love to mess around with M1 one day, if only for the classic house piano and organ sounds. Does it have a lot of the new age stuff?

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Re: Ultimate Cheap Cheesy but programmable digital synth

Post by ninja6485 » Sat Feb 28, 2015 6:36 am

Almost to a fault! :lol: I'll see if I can sit down with my M1 and D50 tomorrow and cook up some new age sounds as a demo. (That should be the march 2015 competition: make a new age/space dolphin / Chrystal energy healing song! )
This looks like a psychotropic reaction. No wonder it's so popular...

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Re: Ultimate Cheap Cheesy but programmable digital synth

Post by commodorejohn » Sat Feb 28, 2015 6:47 am

ninja6485 wrote:(That should be the march 2015 competition: make a new age/space dolphin / Chrystal energy healing song! )
:lol: Count me in!
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Re: Ultimate Cheap Cheesy but programmable digital synth

Post by monolith » Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:39 am

Sounds like a good challenge indeed.

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