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MicroBrute - How awesome is it?

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:04 pm
by Phazer1980
Hi

I have ordered one today, the black one (not se), how is the sound comapred to the classic monos SH101, MiniMoog, tb-303? Does it compared well with those ?

It is a problem that the filter is only 12 db/octave? and not 24 db / octave. (I always use such for bass sounds, never 2 pole= 12 db).

I dont like the evnelope, did not lilke that either on juno synths, you should could be via the Virus TI Mod matrix to control the right controller and transmit than and assign it to microbrute volume and have the same keyboard trigger both synth, and thus create an extra envelope like that, that is good enough for volume but sure would sould odd controlling the filter. Right? That should be possible?

I don twant to pay that much ekstra for an extra envelope basically and get the mini-brute, you can get CV envelopes cheaply and am gonna buy one or two of two those awesome.

I cannot remember the last time I was so psyched for a synth, maybe when I got the JX-10 with programmer, after all the demos I have heard None of my fancy VAs can beat it in awesome bass sound, is that true? That is what is am buying it for, does it really rock at that?

Do they same company many all analaog VCO poloysynths (6 voices)? If they do I got to have one.

Re: MicroBrute - How awesome is it?

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 10:22 pm
by Jabberwalky
Yes

Re: MicroBrute - How awesome is it?

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:29 pm
by Solyaris
I feel the need to defend 12 db/ octave filters. I honestly have heard plenty of ones that I like or love: Oberheim, MS-20, Yamaha CS-15, Dreadbox's new Erebus, just for starters. Don't get me wrong, I love 24 db / octave too, but I feel like 12 db / octave gets a bad wrap sometimes. I think you can still get great bass sounds out of them. Maybe not earth shattering bass, but you still can do pretty well. I've noticed that 12 db / oct doesn't have the tendency to lose the low end as much as 24db when you go at high resonances too. Anyway, just wanted to say that I don't view 12db / oct as ever a problem. Sometimes it's desireable! Just my opinion. Hope you enjoy your Microbrute!

Re: MicroBrute - How awesome is it?

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:15 am
by sentientprogram
Jabberwalky wrote:Yes
Very

Re: MicroBrute - How awesome is it?

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:16 am
by Stab Frenzy
Phazer1980 wrote:I don twant to pay that much ekstra for an extra envelope basically and get the mini-brute, you can get CV envelopes cheaply and am gonna buy one or two of two those awesome.
This is incorrect. You can't get an envelope, case and power supply for less than the price difference of the two brutes.

Re: MicroBrute - How awesome is it?

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:04 am
by Bitexion
You can't just buy two envelope modules, you'll need a power supply and casing for them too. Which would cost waaaay more than the extra cost of a minibrute :) Modular is expensive stuff. EG's don't power themselves.


The arpeggiator is kinda weird though, when I hold 3 notes or more it repeats every note twice across the octaves.

But that oscillator, best thing I've ever had. Also the filter sounds very unique with resonance.

Re: MicroBrute - How awesome is it?

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:17 pm
by Rokk
Its 12db/oct filter rules. Don't worry about it. I have a Minibrute and i totally love the filter. It reminds of MS20 filter, but it's still less distorted when cranked. The character is similar, though. The single envelope on Microbrute is limited, true, but SH101 and Junos all have only one ADSR envelope with a gate option. The same is on Microbrute, although I'd personally modify the gate to be less abrupt if that is possible as it can create clicks.
Soundwise I think you'll be happy with it. Just don't overdrive the filter too much. Be careful with the gain staging. Keep oscillator waveform levels below 50% if you want a clean sound. That's it.

Re: MicroBrute - How awesome is it?

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:22 pm
by clubbedtodeath
Recently I had an opportunity to run my MiniBrute alongside a whole pile of synths: MiniMoogs old Korg analogues, and a pile of expensive modern kit.. it held up very well. It uses a Steiner-Parker filter, which sounds like little else, because very little else uses one. It can very easily scream at you with a healthy dose of notch filter, resonance and brute factor, but it can be coaxed into soft mode too. The sweet spots are there.

It is nothing like a Korg MS20- I own one of these too. The Korg has both low and high pass filters, with separate resonance settings, running in serial. It has two oscillators, whereas the MB has one but with a selection of wave shapers. You can finely tune the filter keyboard tracking on the MB so, if you're careful with the cutoff and resonance, you can introduce a harmonic (eg. Fifths, etc.). This is on a one oscillator synth!

I went for the MiniBrute SE for the sequencer and full-sized keyboard mainly. The MicroBrute has slightly fewer features, but it still has that sound, and it's not too shabby. Seriously, it's way above fwonk territory.

Re: MicroBrute - How awesome is it?

Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:30 pm
by Bitexion
Yeah everyone seems to think the Minibrute is only that Metalizer waveshape and brute factor. But it can do sooooo much more. It even has a "double saw" trick on the saw wave, where it takes the output and routes it back to the input with variable modulation. So you can get a fat beating sound even with a single VCO. Plus the sub oscillator can switch between tri/pulse and -1 or -2 octaves.

The keyboard isn't a big deal either, there are are transpose + and - buttons right beneath the pitch/mod wheel for fast switching while playing. I'm speaking of the Minibrute since that's the one I own, can't vouch for the key feel of the micro.

And the filter doesn't HAVE to be above 50% resonance at all times :) With normal resonance it sounds like a perfectly fine smooth lowpass filter. Go above 50% res and it starts screaming and get very unstable, but without losing the bass like the Moog filters do. The S-P is a completely different design from the ladder filter or the usual curtis chips.

The Mini/Micros best feature is the oscillator and its mixer. I've never had a synth with a VCO that can output all 5 waveforms at once + have an extra "feature" on each waveform.

On the saw there's the "supersaw", on pulse there's PWM, on triangle there's the Metalizer (some kind of waveshaping that turns it into something very nasty), noise, and subosc.

Re: MicroBrute - How awesome is it?

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 2:22 am
by c-level
trying out the minibrute in store, it sounds really harsh, like distorted internally. idk that i can get down with that sound. but for some reason im drawn to the microbrute atm, esp the SE with the stackable patch matrix. it looks like the env is normalled to the metalizer and there is a envelope level knob on the panel which is nice. but i hate to be that guy but i want the mixed features of the mini and the micro, the arpeggio of the OG minibrute in the micro SE. not a step sequencer guy....

Re: MicroBrute - How awesome is it?

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:51 am
by Stab Frenzy
c-level wrote:trying out the minibrute in store, it sounds really harsh, like distorted internally. idk that i can get down with that sound.
If you turn the knobs on the panel, you can change how it sounds to suit what you require. :idea:

But seriously, I think a lot of people miss the subtleties of these instruments, they're capable of so much more than distorted sounds. Pro Tip: The fader for each waveform goes from silent at the bottom to overdriven at the top. If you want a regular undistorted signal then you need to be aiming for the middle, rather than just turning it up the whole way. This is especially important if you're mixing multiple waveforms.

Re: MicroBrute - How awesome is it?

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 11:46 am
by meatballfulton
The Microbrute is a decent synth for the price but it does have features worth thinking about before buying.

-- The EG times are rather short, maximum times are only about 5 seconds which doesn't allow for long sweeps.

-- The "patch panel" simply replaces switches that are found on the MiniBrute and most other synths (patching the MS20 is like this too). That means you must use patch cables for commonly used functions and unless you use "stackable" cables you are limited to single mod destinations.

It's a great first synth on a tight budget but I wouldn't call it "awesome"...just "good".

Re: MicroBrute - How awesome is it?

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 2:03 pm
by Walter Ego
It has a very lively tone and character. I often find myself drawn to the PWM sounds. It can do a very beefy, metallic but still very musical PWM bass. Adding in some of the brute factor and some sub osc adds icing on the cake. I have lost hours jamming with a sequence running and sweeping the EG amount to the Filter and tweaking parameters slightly. As has been said a number of times already, there's no need to go overboard with overdriving the oscillator character controls or the filter. There's plenty of range for subtlety. I can't think of a better deal that the microbrute for what it does.

Re: MicroBrute - How awesome is it?

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:24 pm
by Bitexion
You are in full control of that distortion via the mixer and brute factor. Don't have to do it at all.

Re: MicroBrute - How awesome is it?

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:40 pm
by dustinh
If you don't want the oscilators or filter to distort, leave all your osc levels at the 12 o'clock position and the filter will be clean and juicy sounding.

I love my micro.