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MS-20 legato

Post by Synthprophet » Sat Jun 13, 2015 7:34 pm

Being a long time since i programmed synths, I might have lost some experience.
I have problems with my ms 20 mini. It seems to play in legato mode. Is it somehow possible to come across the legato mode? It really kills the sound when playing a solo sound with long atack and shirt decay and release. What am I doing wrong?
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Re: MS-20 legato

Post by commodorejohn » Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:26 am

By "legato mode," do you mean that the envelope isn't re-triggering? If you're running it from a sequencer, you should note that the MS-20 (or at least the MS-20 Mini, and I believe the original as well) require a minimum gap between the gate-off of one note and the gate-on of the next, otherwise it won't re-trigger. Try leaving a larger gap between notes.
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Re: MS-20 legato

Post by Synthprophet » Sun Jun 14, 2015 9:07 am

Yes it is indeed that the envelopes will not retrigger. Good to know when it comes to sequencers. It just bothers me when playing soft lead sounds on it. Im used to more modern synths with legato switches.
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Re: MS-20 legato

Post by mute » Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:14 pm

several things you could likely do, probably the most common is to patch the button trig to retrigger eg1 with your left hand as you play a lead with your right. it's arguably why they put it there in the first place.

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Re: MS-20 legato

Post by pflosi » Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:53 am

This is just how a MS20 behaves, you'll have to adapt your playing style to it. Can be very expressive once you get the hang of it.

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Re: MS-20 legato

Post by Bitexion » Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:55 am

The loud click sound of the trigger switch is kind of annoying, but at least the listener doesn't hear that :)

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Re: MS-20 legato

Post by mute » Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:35 pm

hrmn, click you say? it's just a spring loaded contact button..sure yours wasn't replaced?

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Re: MS-20 legato

Post by Bitexion » Mon Jun 15, 2015 3:06 pm

Hmm, I don't have my own but I played a fullsize MS-20 in a store quite a few times, it had the kind of button that you find on stomp box guitar pedals. A loud click and had to push it quite hard. Maybe it was a mod indeed.

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Re: MS-20 legato

Post by mute » Wed Jun 17, 2015 4:17 pm

yeah, sounds like a mod or poor replacement

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Re: MS-20 legato

Post by meatballfulton » Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:24 pm

Until the arrival of keyboards being scanned by processors, it was extremely unusual to see a monosynth that supported both single triggering (the legato behavior of the MS20, Minimoog) and multi triggering (ARP Odyssey). Same with choice of note priority (highest, lowest, last or even first).

Read this and this and it will make more sense.
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Re: MS-20 legato

Post by Synthprophet » Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:26 am

Thanks a lot for the feedback and those articles were really great. It does makes me understand a bit more about how this works.
The Minimoog is mentioned to lack this trigger function as well, and should behave in the same way.

I found a piece of music from a Danish film soundtrack from 1978. The solo is played on a minimoog by the very skilled Kenneth Knudsen.
This solo does sound to re-trigger though for each note. Is this supposed to be a playing technic to come across the lack of the re-trigger?

A snippet of the track can be heard via this link:
http://samples.cdn.247e.com/xmlserver/s ... 062FC1.mp3
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Re: MS-20 legato

Post by meatballfulton » Sun Jun 21, 2015 2:01 pm

It's all in the playing technique, leaving a small gap between releasing one key and playing the next. You just need to practice more ;)

MiniMoog has one advantage over MS20, the EG is an ADS, not ADSR. There is a switch that turns on a release stage that follows the decay setting but the default is a release time of 0.

On your MS20, if you are not setting the release to 0, try it...it should help a bit.
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Re: MS-20 legato

Post by V301H » Wed Jun 24, 2015 6:45 pm

If you want more versatility try a Pro-One. It has selectable Single or Multiple Triggering and a Fingered Portamento mode which glides only when you play legato.
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Re: MS-20 legato

Post by haj » Tue Aug 25, 2015 9:00 pm

On an MS20, you can cheat the keyboard behavior by putting something on that is about 1cm thick between the keys and the case :mrgreen: I'm not sure if mini has enough space to put something and works the same.

Kinda related tho, I wish I could completely decouple EG2 from VCA (if inserting EG1 out to initial gain cut the connection to EG2 and then if insert half-way will add the voltage, like the other jacks)

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