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Re: Roland Boutique

Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 10:51 pm
by Cerebral Infect
Chewy wrote:Good point, Desmond, I was wondering that myself. What if the JX and JU are analog DCO synths like the originals? That would certainly make me much less bummed. Small analog poly modules with all those knobs/sliders? Yes, please.
At 299$ per synth, having analog circuitry in there is to have unrealistic expectation. Look at the DSI quadra, it use 4 "synth on a chips", has less knobs and sell 2.5 times more. At this price, what you can hope it is Midi controller with a DSP synth in it.

That being said, at 299 for a 4 voices DSP synth, it is pretty much bang on the buck. I would have hoped for a 6 voices juno, but hey, it is Roland, they are priding themself in never getting what any musician with decent expectations would want.

Re: Roland Boutique

Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 11:48 pm
by tim gueguen
I wouldn't be surprised if the Canadian price is $399 and $499.

Re: Roland Boutique

Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 11:51 pm
by Swayze
Cerebral Infect wrote:That being said, at 299 for a 4 voices DSP synth, it is pretty much bang on the buck. I would have hoped for a 6 voices juno, but hey, it is Roland, they are priding themself in never getting what any musician with decent expectations would want.
True, or getting very close and still somehow conveniently leaving features out. I'd say the 4 voice shortcoming was a deliberate calculation to get people to buy more modules. After all it's DSP, how hard would it have been to slap on a couple more voices? Probably wouldn't cost a whole lot more to do, but I dunno, I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to engineering electronics. I understand subtractive synthesis and engineering sounds to make music. I still need to learn the more technical stuff.

Re: Roland Boutique

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:07 am
by Chewy
Yes, it is a bit unrealistic. I'm pretty sure they're all digital, which is why I said I was bummed. Direct mention of classic analogs... and the products are all VAs. But it is Roland, after all.

I was just saying the conspicuous absence of any mention of ACB in the JU and JX parts was interesting, considering they seem so proud of it.

And also that it would be nice if they were analog. I'd gladly pay the much higher price for an analog synth with the same features/controls as these. Imagine that JP module, but with actual VCOs, VCFs, VCAs - would be fantastic

Re: Roland Boutique

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:28 am
by smith toppleton
Chewy wrote:it is Roland, they are priding themself in never getting what any musician with decent expectations would want.
:lol:

Re: Roland Boutique

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 8:08 am
by Broadwave
Personally, it doesn't worry me that they're not analogue - It'll all come down to the sound, and ACB is pretty impressive.

It's obvious that these will sell like hot cakes, and I'm wondering if Roland have something bigger up their sleeves - could we possibly hope for a full size JP-08? ;)

Re: Roland Boutique

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 8:21 am
by Hybrid88
...and cue people saying the JP-08 doesn't sound like the original the minute sound demos come out :D

Re: Roland Boutique

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 9:09 am
by desmond
Roland's teaser campaign manager must be rather annoyed at the moment... :D

Re: Roland Boutique

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 9:47 am
by smith toppleton
Hybrid88 wrote:...and cue people saying the JP-08 doesn't sound like the original the minute sound demos come out :D

Yeah, but to be fair, how could it? It's not easy to replicate an aging, imperfect, analog beast, especially with such little horsepower. But I think there's always room for another synthesizer, be it analog, VA, digital, or whatever. As long as it sounds good and captures the spirit of the Jupiter I'll grab one. I was really impressed with the panel. I thought for sure they'd cut some of the cross modulation or stacking features, but there they are. And they can be chained! Cool stuff.

Re: Roland Boutique

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 9:56 am
by salwa
desmond wrote:Roland's teaser campaign manager must be rather annoyed at the moment... :D
And what's happening now at zZounds? Scary :shock:

Re: Roland Boutique

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:31 am
by Hybrid88
smith toppleton wrote:
Hybrid88 wrote:...and cue people saying the JP-08 doesn't sound like the original the minute sound demos come out :D
Yeah, but to be fair, how could it? It's not easy to replicate an aging, imperfect, analog beast, especially with such little horsepower. But I think there's always room for another synthesizer, be it analog, VA, digital, or whatever. As long as it sounds good and captures the spirit of the Jupiter I'll grab one. I was really impressed with the panel. I thought for sure they'd cut some of the cross modulation or stacking features, but there they are. And they can be chained! Cool stuff.
Yeah that's true, look back to the way they marketed the JP-8000 in the 90's it was as though it was another Jupiter 8 and look how that turned out, totally not like a JP8 but great for other sounds, much like a lot of Roland products throughout history ;)

Re: Roland Boutique

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:22 pm
by Reginator
salwa wrote:
desmond wrote:Roland's teaser campaign manager must be rather annoyed at the moment... :D
And what's happening now at zZounds? Scary :shock:
Yeah, I feel sorry for the guy that let the cat out the bag. Even though its a little tiny cat it's still out the bag. ;)

Re: Roland Boutique

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:17 pm
by Blue Monster 65
Chewy wrote:I was just saying the conspicuous absence of any mention of ACB in the JU and JX parts was interesting, considering they seem so proud of it.
Catalog information is not written by the manufacturer, but by the seller. Sometimes the manufacturer will look it over for mistakes, but sometimes not. It should be vetted (before going to print/online) by an editor who has knowledge of the instrument, but that's not always the case, either. I did advertising for a large retailer for years and sometimes we slipped up - that was never very fun for anyone involved, least of all the consumer!

I would be VERY surprised if these weren't ACB, either. I would also be surprised if the pages weren't updated to say so once they go live.

EDIT: small "m" on manufacturer

Re: Roland Boutique

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:37 pm
by Stab Frenzy
smith toppleton wrote:
Hybrid88 wrote:...and cue people saying the JP-08 doesn't sound like the original the minute sound demos come out :D

Yeah, but to be fair, how could it? It's not easy to replicate an aging, imperfect, analog beast, especially with such little horsepower. But I think there's always room for another synthesizer, be it analog, VA, digital, or whatever. As long as it sounds good and captures the spirit of the Jupiter I'll grab one. I was really impressed with the panel. I thought for sure they'd cut some of the cross modulation or stacking features, but there they are. And they can be chained! Cool stuff.
You can get a lot of dsp for not much money these days.

Re: Roland Boutique

Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:05 pm
by desmond
Blue Monster 65 wrote:
Chewy wrote:I was just saying the conspicuous absence of any mention of ACB in the JU and JX parts was interesting, considering they seem so proud of it.
Catalog information is not written by the manufacturer, but by the seller.
Isn't it more usually copy/pasted from the (embargoed) press release / info passed on to the seller *by* the manufacturer? The shop isn't going to know all the details and features of an unreleased product unless the manufacturer tells them...