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Prophet '08 Qs

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 2:39 pm
by hageir
Hi gang,
long time no see :)

I've been around and about in the synth world, sort of realized the solid power of owning and working with one workhorse synth, arranging with plugins on the computer then "rendering" each track with a synth-of-choice (paired with a good audio interface)

Of course, having a hardware sequencer and a ton of synths is always the best thing in the world, but it's hard to arrange and fully finish a whole song... I've gotten much better at actually finishing stuff on the software side.
But nothing beats the pure, real-world groove of hardware FOR SURE! Best of both worlds I would say.

Anyways,
I've been aiming at the Prophet '08 (I've got a Polysix and that's quite similar territory as the Prophet 6 minus a couple of mad points like the selectable Unison; although possible to work around that on the Polysix.. And the Poly Mod off course + effects; Delay (hmm external?) and step sequencer)
Mostly because I love how deep the Mono Evolver keyboard is and I like the way it handles modulation and you can get quite far with it if you're a smart synthesist.

Here are the points I've read about the P '08 that seem quite common:
DCOs sound "too" accurate; ok isn't that a question of adding a, say, Sample & Hold LFO with 1 to 2 in amount of modulation to the fine tuning of each oscillator?

You sort of have to make/create the instability on these "sterile" accurate synths...
(Like the Machinedrum, I'd rather have a clean Tabula Rasa and then create the characteristic noise and c**p from scratch, y'dig? I'm fine with that -then sometimes I need a super clean and sterile thing, it's not like I'm always stuck with some ground noise/character)

Also, I had a Matrix 6R, what a wonderful synth, using that with an external editor I could make some whopping sounds... Had to sell it as I moved from Iceland.
Single patches are one thing, but when I duplicated a patch, detuned that and then layered them together
+ using the Stereo/Mono setting so each patch would come out in a separate output, that thing would double in size and bring some earthrumbling FAT bass/low-end.
So I'm guessing the same thing with the Prophet '08,
duplicate the patch and layer it, a bit detuned for a FAT sound hehe

I tried it very briefly a couple of years ago and I remember my main impression was: YES! it's one of those synths where the oscillator doesn't break up at super low frequencies; I could still hear the wave/osc running without "crackling" up like some synths tend to do.

I haven't found too many Unison demoes online as I'm pretty hot for those...
That's 8x Voices with 2 oscs each...
I read somewhere you could use the LFOs as well if you apply Key Number to them (at the right amount) to actually use the LFOs as extra oscillators...Funky idea..

I've also read that it has an almost digital-clip (smaller headroom) in the Mids..
I would think that has to do with the gain-staging of everything, like the Voice Volume, Oscillator Volume and the Main Output Volume, right?
*could also have something to do with using the Direct Outputs for the Layers..
Hmm negative notch eq? LOL

One demo showed the difference of the 2 and 4 Pole, but that user was obviously a noob because he couldn't get the 2-Pole (12 dB) Filter Mode to resonate a lot... 2 Poles need CAREFUL Keytracking Settings and more knowledge in general.. So that's my sort of impression about the lame reviews the P '08 is getting, I think it's the Ultimate analog Prophet so far, even though I haven't tested it a lot.. It's got all these Modulation routings and possibilites which surpass it from other "similar" analog synths + 8 Voices is quite a lot!
I can create the Poly Mod on my MEK, which allows OSCs 3+4 to be used as a source, not sure how that would work on the P '08 I guess a Key-Tracked LFO to the OSC frequencies?

So you people who've stood by the P '08
could it be used as a center piece without any other synths (maybe some plugins for basic stuff)?
I know I'll have to try one soon...

How's the layering going?
Quick also; can you select how many voices it has in the Layer and Unison modes?

ps. would love a FAT Unison demo, nothing fancy, just to hear the sheer power, raw...

Have a good weekend everyone!

-G

Re: Prophet '08 Qs

Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:27 pm
by meatballfulton
You do realize that the P08 is essentially an Evolver with all the digital parts removed...same Curtis filters, same DCOs, etc.?
So you can actually answer most of your questions by listening to your Evolver.
I read somewhere you could use the LFOs as well if you apply Key Number to them (at the right amount) to actually use the LFOs as extra oscillators.
Not true.

Re: Prophet '08 Qs

Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 2:17 pm
by hageir
meatballfulton wrote:You do realize that the P08 is essentially an Evolver with all the digital parts removed...same Curtis filters, same DCOs, etc.?
So you can actually answer most of your questions by listening to your Evolver.
I read somewhere you could use the LFOs as well if you apply Key Number to them (at the right amount) to actually use the LFOs as extra oscillators.
Not true.
Hmm, apart from the One Voice?
I'm mainly interested in how the Unison mode sounds / and how layers sound (using the same patch, detuned a bit)
Well, I guess I'll just have to find one somewhere to try it out me-self :D

Re: Prophet '08 Qs

Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 3:05 pm
by meatballfulton
If you can find a Tetra to try it also has the unison/layer feature, should sound the same as P08.

Re: Prophet '08 Qs

Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 3:13 pm
by Ashe37
meatballfulton wrote:If you can find a Tetra to try it also has the unison/layer feature, should sound the same as P08.
Tetra can one better the P08, because it has the sub oscs.

if you want a keyboard, Mopho x4... which can poly chain a tetra.

Re: Prophet '08 Qs

Posted: Tue May 03, 2016 10:23 am
by hageir
meatballfulton wrote:If you can find a Tetra to try it also has the unison/layer feature, should sound the same as P08.
Cool, thanks!
That should get me pretty close I presume 8-)