Model D, P6, TR-626 - together?

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Model D, P6, TR-626 - together?

Post by tubesurfer6 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:16 am

Guys I'm pretty new to this so please excuse me for being a n00b.

I've had the Korg P6 and Minimoog for a while now and both are fantastic instruments. I play them in a rock band context without any additional gadgets. A couple days ago I got a Roland TR-626 in a trade and as I read up on it I see that it can trigger the arpeggiator of the P6 and also has an built-in sequencer.

Unfortunately my P6 is at a friend's place ATM so I cannot try the arpeggiator trig function. Will this work without any additional gadgets, just a cable? What about the Minimoog? Is it somehow possible to use the TR-626's sequencer with it? What do I need for that? The Minimoog is all original, no MIDI.

I guess all of this is not really as simple as connecting them all with some cables ... but I could be wrong. Please help me with some basic advice to get this thing rolling. Cheers!

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Re: Model D, P6, TR-626 - together?

Post by ppg_wavecomputer » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:27 am

The 626 doesn't have a sequencer, strictly speaking, it's the internal "sequencer" to control its drum sounds with. It's a drum machine only. You can't drive the Mini Moog from the 626 and make it play pitched stuff.

I don't know whether the 626 has a metronome output -- you might want to use this to trigger the P6 arpeggiator -- but be careful, some Korg devices require a negative trigger pulse to make them work...

Honestly, if you can return the 626, do so as it is one of the most dreadful drum machines I can think of.

But what do I know?

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Re: Model D, P6, TR-626 - together?

Post by tubesurfer6 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:34 am

Thanks for the quick reply!

Hehe, to me it's not that bad and I really didn't care for the stuff I traded for it. I think it's ok as a first drum machine, but I'll upgrade if necessary.

So what other gear would I need to do what I described in the first post? Especially regarding the Moog.

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Re: Model D, P6, TR-626 - together?

Post by ppg_wavecomputer » Tue Jul 12, 2016 11:39 am

tubesurfer6 wrote: [...] So what other gear would I need to do what I described in the first post? Especially regarding the Moog.
MIDI interface of some kind (internal conversion kit / external MIDI-CV converter) unless the Moog has already been modded with a MIDI interface. Same thing with the Korg if you want to do some more advanced stuff than just using its fairly limited arpeggiator.

Akai MPC (500/1000/2000/2500 etc.) comes to mind, both a sequencer *and* a drum machine.

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Re: Model D, P6, TR-626 - together?

Post by madtheory » Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:31 pm

The 626 does have a trigger out, so it will drive the arp on the Korg.

But ya, I concur with Stephen, it's a c**p machine.

Maybe a Korg SQ-1 would be better, if you're into step sequencing? It can send notes to your MiniMoog as is (using CV outs) and can drive the arp on the Korg via the SYNC out.

If you want to do more in depth sequencing with a DAW or an Akai as Stephen suggests, I think the Kenton Pro Solo is a superb solution to MIDI your MiniMoog. I think it's the only MIDI-CV that has the same type of portamento as the MiniMoog. The front panel portamento would be bypassed when using CV. You also get a modulation LFO, freeing up oscillator 3 on the Mini. And, there's another CV output that you can use for the filter. That's lovely when assigned to velocity or aftertouch.

Also, have you might like these upgrades for the Korg Polysix:
http://kiwitechnics.com/kiwisix.htm
https://tubbutec.de/polysex/
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Re: Model D, P6, TR-626 - together?

Post by pflosi » Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:36 pm

The 626 was my first drum machine too, years ago. It's not that bad, actually. Editing the sounds (pitch) is fun in a strange way. Nice accent programming (per instrument, not global only like the other TRs - except for some 909 instruments). And a cheap source for very "Roland-y" sounds.

Anyways, it does have a trigger output that you can program on the rimshot (I think, been some time).

However, both the Model D as well as the P6 demand s-triggers rather than the v-trigger the 626 puts out. So you might have to convert it. It's a simple circuit (of course the P6 needs a normal jack and not a jones plug on the s-trig end):

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Finally, of course the 626 puts out midi notes according to the drum instruments programmed internally. So yeah, you can actually drive synths (that do have midi in ports) with it. But of course it's a fairly limited mode of operation like this...

Cheers and good luck! :drinks:

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Re: Model D, P6, TR-626 - together?

Post by ninja6485 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 6:29 pm

If you do get an sq1, you can use the trigger out on the 626 to sync the sq1's clock to the rythm by sending one pulse per quarter note (rimshot on 1,5,9, & 13)
This looks like a psychotropic reaction. No wonder it's so popular...

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Post by tubesurfer6 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:19 pm

So the Korg SQ-1 can be connected directly to the Minimoog, no other device necessary? The Moog is all original from 1977, no MIDI.

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Re: Model D, P6, TR-626 - together?

Post by ninja6485 » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:22 pm

If the Minimoog has cv and gate inputs, then most likely it can. The beatstep pro is another great sequencer that could interface with cv/gate. If the Minimoog doesn't, or takes some odd kind of cv/gate signal the sq1 can't accommodate, then no. I would search on YouTube to see if other people are doing it
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Re: Model D, P6, TR-626 - together?

Post by Uncle Screwtape » Tue Jul 12, 2016 10:43 pm

ninja6485 wrote:...The beatstep pro is another great sequencer...
+1 to that. Was also going to suggest this one. It can run MIDI to your drums, and CV/Gate to the MM, plus one more monosynth/module down the road via either control. Love my BSP! I run analog & digital drums simultaneously, and drones/sequences on 2 volcas (with a MIDI splitter), then manually play along with another keyboard, which you could do with the P6. It's a powerful machine.
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Re: Model D, P6, TR-626 - together?

Post by ppg_wavecomputer » Wed Jul 13, 2016 9:40 am

tubesurfer6 wrote:So the Korg SQ-1 can be connected directly to the Minimoog, no other device necessary? The Moog is all original from 1977, no MIDI.
Probably not unless the Moog has been modded for standard voltage trigger. The Moog requires a switch trigger for the envelopes (as shown in the chart above) and the SQ-1 seems to produce only standard voltage trigger so you will need a conversion cable. This is an easy job to make if you're handy with a soldering iron (or know someone who is... or if you buy one online).

Look at the connector panel of the Moog, there is a strange-looking jack to the very right which requires a two-prong plug -- that's the switch-trigger input. If there are no other jacks added for "Gate" or "Trigger", you will need this conversion cable first to make it all work.

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Re: Model D, P6, TR-626 - together?

Post by jaypodesta » Thu Jul 14, 2016 10:47 pm

You can get cables here: Kenton

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