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blues for klook patch

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:34 pm
by squatski
Ok so I was listening to this:


changing FM index on the fly? foot control?
if it's on a DX (which it probably is) does one of the dx's have an output on the back for a foot expression so you could assign it to something like FM amount? I think that's what's going on here you can hear it being changed while playing. or is it just him using his hand on a slider? I want to make this blues for klook patch once I get a dx that is! 8-)

Re: changing FM index on the fly? foot control?

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:11 pm
by Zamise
Sounds like pitch bending with a spring back to center pitch wheel.

Re: changing FM index on the fly? foot control?

Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2016 7:16 pm
by commodorejohn
Yes, several of the DXes allow you to modulate operator level (they call it "EG bias") with any of the assorted variable controllers. If that is enabled on any of the modulators, then you can modulate the FM index directly.

Re: changing FM index on the fly? foot control?

Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:09 am
by Sonus
The first notes played on a SY77 http://picosong.com/HB72
Key velocity changes the index, left hand for pitch bend.
TX7 factory preset E.GUITAR is a good starting point.

Re: changing FM index on the fly? foot control?

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:48 am
by squatski
Sonus wrote:The first notes played on a SY77 http://picosong.com/HB72
Key velocity changes the index, left hand for pitch bend.
TX7 factory preset E.GUITAR is a good starting point.
very good! is that a re-creation you made your self? you'll have to share the sysex file :)
BUT, can it still do the glassy kiss sound (Only way I can describe it!!! :lol: ) as you lower the FM amount? I'm hoping some one can do me a big favour and basically program the patch for me after I get my DX11!

Re: changing FM index on the fly? foot control?

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 10:48 pm
by squatski
got my dx11 now! very nice board! like it looks so slim and stylish!
anyway, I've been at this patch re-creation for ages (like 2 hours!) and I just can't get there, I can get the full velocity sound. but the lower velocity sound (0:32 on the video) I just can't do. basically I don't think a 4-op can cut it (and I tried all the algorithms!) because when in the lowest velocity you still need an operator of a super higher pitch to operate a completely different operator. Plus the key sensitivy doesn't seem to have a big enough range! Looks like Eddy had the DX7 mark II? because the original dx7 isn't key sensitive.

Re: changing FM index on the fly? foot control?

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 11:43 pm
by commodorejohn
squatski wrote:Looks like Eddy had the DX7 mark II? because the original dx7 isn't key sensitive.
Do you mean velocity sensitive? Because the DX7 mk.1 definitely is; it's the cheaper 4-operator DX9 that isn't.

Re: changing FM index on the fly? foot control?

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 12:46 am
by squatski
yes sorry velocity sensitive. ah ok

well with my blues klook patch it's taking more shape now. I'm basically working out how to join two patches together in the performance mode. I made a more glassy bell/rhodes type noise (with super fast portamento) and stored on a new thingy. The louder one is the more twangy thing I made right.

I'll have to bring up some audio clip updates. It's 90% there. just wish there was sort of like an anti velocity setting ...(how can I say it) a negative velocity setting so the harder you hit a note, the lower the volume it gets. sadly that doesn't exist.

Re: changing FM index on the fly? foot control?

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:02 am
by Sonus
A more glassy sound http://picosong.com/HtPH
Also a chorus or leslie effect is essential.
Pitch bend range ± 3, no portamento.

... succes with DX11!

Re: changing FM index on the fly? foot control?

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:22 am
by squatski
Sonus wrote:A more glassy sound http://picosong.com/HtPH
Also a chorus or leslie effect is essential.
Pitch bend range ± 3, no portamento.

... succes with DX11!
oh wow that's way closer than I got! so it can be done on a 4-op then! don't suppose you could spill the beans on the parameters or give me some clues! like which algorithm number, feedback, frequencies, env and levels? please I beg you! lol
My dx11 doesn't have chorus unless you found another way, either way I'll just wack it through my zoom effects rack.

Re: changing FM index on the fly? foot control?

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:16 am
by squatski
oops! sorry completly some how missed the link when I read your reply! that syx file! thank you so much!

Re: changing FM index on the fly? foot control?

Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:01 pm
by Sonus
My pleasure! More EFX tweaks and B-flat blues riff (0:55) http://picosong.com/HvZx

Re: changing FM index on the fly? foot control?

Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:53 pm
by squatski
Sonus wrote:My pleasure! More EFX tweaks and B-flat blues riff (0:55) http://picosong.com/HvZx
very good playing of it!!
turns out eddy louiss had a DX7. I wonder if it was something he or someone programmed for him or is it actually just a preset already on there. I still feel to get closer you need the full 6-ops but your patch is so good imma use that one! There's no info about the production of the album its from cause he was more known for jazz b3 organ!