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Re: NAMM 2017

Post by AnalogKid » Fri Jan 06, 2017 12:41 am

The word on the street is that Access will be selling a synth called the Virus TI2. Some people are referring to it as the Ferrari of synthesizers.

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Re: NAMM 2017

Post by 30h5 » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:33 am

jxalex wrote: The Dave Smith Instruments have done their Oberheim OB-6 and Prophet 6, but cant say why actually the customers dont say out loud why just after couple months they SELL that brand new synthesizer!
Can you elaborate on this? It's true that there has been a fair amount of turnover through the auction sites of these, but that seems to be the case with a lot of new gear? Just curious what your thoughts were.

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Re: NAMM 2017

Post by meatballfulton » Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:47 pm

jxalex is being a bit harsh.

-- It was the original Motif Rack that had timing problems, Rack ES and Rack XS are rock solid.

-- Juno G is long past any further support from Roland, it came out in 2006!

-- Korg Oasys (which led to Kronos) was a huge step beyond Triton, admittedly Kronos is ready for a replacement

-- DeepMind 12 at $999 is affordable. The 80s Roland analogs all cost over $1000 in 80s money (Alpha Juno 1 was cheapest ever at $999). Affordability is all relative to how much cash you have on hand, isn't it? I can afford to buy $5000 instruments, I just don't feel like spending that much.

-- There's early turnover on all new gear. It's not just synths either, I see it with guitar gear, with recording gear, with cameras, etc. I'm seeing used Yamaha Montages (only been out about 6 months), I flipped my Minilogue after less than a month (while they were totally backordered worldwide...sold within 6 hours of posting my ad). My local dealers don't stock any of this stuff like they did in the 20th century ;) , so ordering online and returning or flipping is my only way to try gear out these days.
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Re: NAMM 2017

Post by griffin avid » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:19 pm

Maybe you ought to think in the reverse.

What the F__K would you BUY if somebody released that SH_T? :lol:

-now comes all the fantasy c**p like a super-poly for under $500.....
-Or a new synthesis system that's analog without the limitations of analog- that sounds analog, but is a new analogy...type future-retro..and..and built like a tank, but also under $500...
A...a....flagship with 8 million features, but under $1,000.


Me, I'd like to see some game-changers.
Omnisphere made every pad-making/synth VST look silly.
Effectrix made any onboard DJ effects look silly.
NI Maschine, made traditional drum machines look silly.

The virus TI was one of those releases where it was like "Have you checked out that new Access synth?"
So for KORG it's probably the korg ARP Odyssey that made people pause.
Elektron had the spot light for a long time too.


NAMM is competing with everything I own.
And I don't see a new category of product that is a must-have coming along.
It'd have to be a pretty big leap to make me upgrade. I'd love to trade up to the new Motif, but my ES is doing just fine compared to another ~~$2,000 outlay.


BUT IF I WAS A NEW studio owner or just starting out, my brain would probably melt from all the choices.
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Re: NAMM 2017

Post by squatski » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:13 pm

thanks for the replies regarding the video footage, makes sense.

I'm looking forward to seeing that Dan from akai again, he's become a bit of a legend.

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Re: NAMM 2017

Post by garranimal » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:36 pm

wiss wrote:The stand alone Akai MPC is coming.
This teaser out from Akai, "showcasing soon-to-be released heavy hitters from our 2017 product lineup"...

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Re: NAMM 2017

Post by squatski » Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:35 pm

what's with all the dislikes on that video :o ??
I know akai did a bit of a boo boo with the timbre wolf videos but come on!

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Re: NAMM 2017

Post by Bitexion » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:11 pm

A brand new OB-8 cost $7000 in real 80s dollars (not today's value), kind of the price of a reasonable family car. Definately not something you just went and bought even if they were available new in stores.

Analogue synths were never cheap, not in the 80s, not now. Unless you were one of those lucky sods who were on the used market in the mid-late 80s when all the famous musicians sold off their big analogue polys/monos for digital c**p for peanuts..

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Re: NAMM 2017

Post by griffin avid » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:33 pm

what's with all the dislikes on that video :o ??
I know akai did a bit of a boo boo with the timbre wolf videos but come on!


I think you're my new favorite forum member!
Well, I for one, DISLIKE teasers with nothing to offer or even speculate on.
Terrible.

What does it do? -- Linear record?
Dump USB to mixdown?
Stuff(s) that been a feature request for over a decade?

The whole planet still wants BOTH.
Total connectivity with a computer (to transfer/sum etc)
And stand alone so you can jam wherever.

Battery and internal speakers are always optional. :lol:

Are we STILL pattern recording...counting in 2 measures? Really in 2017?
Gosh, I hope not.

So WHAT are they teasing? A bunch of people saying it's cool.
That teaser is totally meaningless.
NI Maschine is the main competition so what's on offer that lures 'their next customer' away and sells an MPC?

not to be a hater or doubter but..
I struggle to think of a feature that they could be discussing that would get me excited.
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Re: NAMM 2017

Post by squatski » Fri Jan 06, 2017 11:57 pm

griffin avid wrote:what's with all the dislikes on that video :o ??
I know akai did a bit of a boo boo with the timbre wolf videos but come on!


I think you're my new favorite forum member!
Well, I for one, DISLIKE teasers with nothing to offer or even speculate on.
Terrible.
fair enough. also the whole "wow! it's amazing already" did feel a bit staged.

sadly for me akai isn't true akai anymore, it's numark in disguise! :cry: RIP the akai I used to love in the 80s and 90s

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Re: NAMM 2017

Post by ninja6485 » Sat Jan 07, 2017 4:48 am

squatski wrote:sadly for me akai isn't true akai anymore, it's numark in disguise! RIP the akai I used to love in the 80s and 90s
Numark...
Image
This looks like a psychotropic reaction. No wonder it's so popular...

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Re: NAMM 2017

Post by supermel74 » Sat Jan 07, 2017 6:25 am

ninja6485 wrote:
squatski wrote:sadly for me akai isn't true akai anymore, it's numark in disguise! RIP the akai I used to love in the 80s and 90s
Numark...
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:lol:

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Re: NAMM 2017

Post by jxalex » Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:18 pm

meatballfulton wrote: -- Juno G is long past any further support from Roland, it came out in 2006!
...which means they never fixed that model errors if there are no patch available and such errors are in new synths too on some models like on Integra.
-- DeepMind 12 at $999 is affordable. The 80s Roland analogs all cost over $1000 in 80s money (Alpha Juno 1 was cheapest ever at $999). Affordability is all relative to how much cash you have on hand, isn't it? I can afford to buy $5000 instruments, I just don't feel like spending that much.
they have always prices which have trouble to reach round number, pity.

affordable, oh yeah, while it is a knockoff from the old synth. It does quite little bit sense if the price is couple hundred USDs from juno-106. Alpha Juno BUYNOW price perhaps was such high, but it does not sell with such price.

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Re: NAMM 2017

Post by jxalex » Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:20 pm

30h5 wrote:
jxalex wrote: The Dave Smith Instruments have done their Oberheim OB-6 and Prophet 6, but cant say why actually the customers dont say out loud why just after couple months they SELL that brand new synthesizer!
Can you elaborate on this? It's true that there has been a fair amount of turnover through the auction sites of these, but that seems to be the case with a lot of new gear? Just curious what your thoughts were.

i am suspecting that there are some flaws or something is going on, becouse it is quite inefficient to sell right after couple month brand new synthesizer with such price.

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Re: NAMM 2017

Post by meatballfulton » Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:17 pm

So jxalex, do/did you own a Juno G? :roll:
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