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The Best? Quality Reverb unit on the market ...

Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 11:52 am
by HH
Hi guys,

I was thinking for a replacement/addition to my TC M300 effects.
I know that it's hard to say which one is the best, because all of them have their own touch/usage.

but, i'm more concerned about a one, universal high quality reverb unit, for the price of no more than 1000$.

TC M3000 seems to be in that price range, but i've never heard it. Is it any good?

Any options, thoughts?
Thanks
HH

Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 7:42 pm
by nathanscribe
I can't comment on your choice, but Lexicon have a few (multi-fx) models in that price bracket, and you could pick up a 2nd hand unit for that too - PCM something-or-other (70?), IIRC. There are old Yamahas kicking around too for a lot less, (though my ailing brain cannot currently recall the model numbers - long day at work)... Big black 2U things with lots of buttons... you know the ones... around half your budget, at least from what I've seen.

Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 8:21 pm
by aeon
As a t.c. M3000 owner, I can confirm that it is a lovely reverb and ambience generator.

That said, it may or may not be suitable for your purposes. It has a definite sound that is very far away from Eventide, Lexicon, Sony, Roland, etc.

It would be fair to say I am a bit of a reverb slut. :oops:


cheers,
Ian

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 3:13 pm
by HH
Thanks for replies, guys.
Nathanscribe: isn't the Lexicon's PCM models over 2000$. Just checked at their website and that's a freaking high price for a reverb unit.

Aeon: i've been looking at TC M3000 too. How much is it worth? Do you have any demos or tracks used with it which i could check out?

Thanks

Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 5:46 pm
by nathanscribe
HH wrote:isn't the Lexicon's PCM models over 2000$. Just checked at their website and that's a freaking high price for a reverb unit.
Yep, it's a steep one. But you could get a 2nd-hand PCM 70 for around your budget limit. If you want a new one, the MX series are affordable. They do an MX500 within your budget whcih has firewire and can act as a 'real' DAW plugin.

Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 3:58 am
by i_watch_stars
I'm currently in the market for a hardware reverb/FX unit as well, for my synths that don't have their own effects. I'm going to get the Lexicon MPX 500, so I'll tell you guys how that works out.

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:16 am
by i_watch_stars
Just to give you guys looking for affordable reverb an update, I recently got the Lexicon MPX500. Its definitely worth the money (I payed about 300$ for it but I've seen it go as cheap as 150$)! Great reverbs for the price and tons of other effects besides the touted reverbs. Here's a demo of a large hall verb; the lexicon effect I know everyone wants to hear...

Trance Hook with an MPX500 large hall

I would definitely recommend it for a dedicated FX unit for any of your synths that don't have their own effects.

EDIT: The mpx500 must have a pretty bad noise floor, because I can clearly hear the noise in this recording. Well that sucks....

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:16 pm
by tallowwaters
i_watch_stars wrote:Just to give you guys looking for affordable reverb an update, I recently got the Lexicon MPX500. Its definitely worth the money (I payed about 300$ for it but I've seen it go as cheap as 150$)! Great reverbs for the price and tons of other effects besides the touted reverbs. Here's a demo of a large hall verb; the lexicon effect I know everyone wants to hear...

Trance Hook with an MPX500 large hall

I would definitely recommend it for a dedicated FX unit for any of your synths that don't have their own effects.

EDIT: The mpx500 must have a pretty bad noise floor, because I can clearly hear the noise in this recording. Well that sucks....
well, if its a lexicon, that means it has an insanely sensietive input knob just waiting to put some noise on your track.

Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 8:22 am
by route_electrique
The Bricasti Design - Model 7 Stereo Reverb Processor has been getting really awesome feedback (@GS). Engineered by ex-Lexicon doods, if i remember right.

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http://www.bricasti.com/

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:29 am
by zobomix
Maybe a used TC Fireworx? It usually goes for about $500-600

too late; i'm drunk

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:17 am
by Cruel Hoax
Fireworx is da s**t for flexible signal oddifying. Not sure I'd choose it solely as a reverberator, though.

In my experience, TCs tend to sound more "roomy" while Lexicons sound more "lush, soundscapey". Your opinion may differ, of course.

But for US$1000, you have a lot of choices. You could get an EMT plate (yeah, the real 8-foot beast) and have something forever unique about your studio.

You could get a Lexicon Vortex, an Alesis Wedge, a Furman stereo spring reverb, a Roland SRV2000 and a Cooper Time Cube (or AMS) and give the big stiff finger to all the plugin kids. That kind of flexibility and interoperability is what makes a good studio great.

Try feeding one verb into another: set up an "ambience" program in the first, but pretty live, with a large-ish room size and a long-ish decay time. Then feed this into your usual long-verb. Much better prolonging of vowels, yes? much better than cranking that second verb too hard. Pre-process it and massage it, and then all your long verb has to do is make it elegant. Basic tone control resides in the shortverb before it. Seriously - give it a shot, even in software! And then figure whether or not such an approach makes sense to you in hardware. It just might.

-Hoax

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:10 am
by aeon
t.c. = real, transparent, pristine, clear, spaces
Lexicon = surreal, colored, lush, diffuse, environments
Sony = malleable, shaded, refined, projected, places
Roland = “artifice”-al, vivid, synthetic, etched, treatments

In the under-$1000 category for each of those, I would suggest (used):

t.c. electronic M3000
Lexicon PCM-70, PCM-81/91
Sony DPS-V77, DPS-R7
Roland SRV-330, RSS-10, RSS-303

All of these boxes do a great reverb under $1000. I might guess that a Roland SRV-3030 would be a nice unit too, but I have not used it. There are also other makers who likely do a great job (Ensoniq?) but I do not have experience with them.


cheers,
Ian

Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:16 am
by aeon
I also agree that the FireworX would not be my first choice in a reverberator, even if it is able to generate some treatments that are unique and compelling.


cheers,
Ian

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 12:40 pm
by amatsov
...any rewievs on vermona retroverb?

Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:32 pm
by KLAXON
route_electrique wrote:The Bricasti Design - Model 7 Stereo Reverb Processor has been getting really awesome feedback (@GS). Engineered by ex-Lexicon doods, if i remember right.

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http://www.bricasti.com/
Looks nice. My math may be a little slower these days, but isn't $4500 a tad over the "no more than $1000" mark?