Mixing. You know... production. Of Sound.

Discussions on sound production outside the synthesizer such as mixing, processing, recording, editing and mastering.
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Mixing. You know... production. Of Sound.

Post by smallsynth » Thu May 17, 2007 11:56 pm

I'm terrible at mixing. I do not have the right experience or tools to finish the job. I know what sounds good, but can't seem to get there.

Is there anyone here who likes to mix and is decent at it? I'm looking for someone who I could possibly pay a little to in order to get a little bit of work on some tracks. other than a quick pass to make sure the levels are good, I might need a little production on my vocals.

I'd prefer it to be someone...

- I know at least marginally
- into electro or synthpop
- who can transfer files back and forth via teh internets
- and can provide a song sample, including vocals

-geoffrey smallsynth

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Post by i_watch_stars » Fri May 18, 2007 4:31 am

I don't get it...are you looking to be someone's "apprentice" or to have someone mix your work for you?

Here is a sample of my work;

http://starsystemmusic.com/mp3/stratosphere.m3u

Where are you in Seattle BTW?

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Post by wiss » Fri May 18, 2007 7:08 am

I say do it yourself.....you know what you want more than anyone else....

mix the drums 1st....then add the bass.....then bring in all rythm inst in (one at a time).....then leads/melodies(1@T).....then vocals(1@T).....then play wth it(punching things in and out, fading things in and out...panning stuff around)...record each different mix too...

mixing the best part, control it yourself


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Post by brian.only » Fri May 18, 2007 10:24 am

Mixing is a complete art form which can lead to an potentially unhealthy obsession. Wiss gave some really good advice which i'll add to.

Panning!!! sometimes moving the bass just off center opposite the kick cleans up the lower end. Try not to have everything dead center- I tend to pan the drums(slightly mind you) as I would hear them if i was playing the kit- cool on headphones if your a drummer.

Think of your mix in a 3 dimensional sense- what would be up front, or in back, play w/ mild eqing and slowly fill in your 'room'.

Sometimes simple is better- dont try to squash all 27 of the tracks into the song if 15-16 or 6 will do the job.

Use your Mute track buttons and listen to different combinations- what do you miss each time around?

Having a mix interface is KEY, see if you can borrow one or rent a nice one.

Start quiet with each track and bring in the sounds one by one till they sound natural/right to you- than increase master volume to sweet spot.

Get a friend or loved one to listen to your different mixes- My Girlfriend is a music lover and luckily very patient, Often I'll be so detail obsessed I cant see the forest from the trees.

Watch your treble- the longer you listen to something the less present it will feel; which will result in you turning it up, give your ears a rest after a couple of hours- go for a walk.

Let songs Breathe a day till you come back to it. Also TAKE NOTES on what your doing- I use a little flash card size ring binder.

Listen to your favorite music and pay attention to the stereo field and equalization- Look at the spectrum and compare if you have an analyzer.

Play your songs through the Eq presets in Itunes, sometimes the mix is fine its just the eq-ing. Look at the bands and refine it in an editor.

Be careful w/ compression if you are planning on getting it mastered.

Use stems- Once you get your rhythm down make it a track, then a seperate for your vocals and leads, synths, and so on-
this will save some cpu and will make it easier if you want to remix or master/remaster.

Hope this helps- It can be alot of fun if you have the patience for it.
I'd give it a swing, theres lots of room for experimenting and you get to play w/ plug-ins- If you get 2-3 right, its something you can feel good about and save a little cash in the process.

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Post by PitchBender » Fri May 18, 2007 6:28 pm

mixing and mastering is one of my favorite parts of making music. there is so much potential for being creative and experimenting. like seperating frequencies and compressing various parts while expanding other parts, or adding reverb to the high end while leaving the low end untouched, etc. etc.
i pretty much just use Cool Edit Pro aka Audition. My vote is to DIY, but perhaps you don't have the time/energy.
I don't think im good enough to do it for money.

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Post by smallsynth » Fri May 18, 2007 7:23 pm

thanks for the advice, suggestions and tips. i've got enough to go on for now for sure.

stars -- i was born on first hill and lived in west seattle, federal way, queen anne, then the u-dist, and capitol hill. right now i'm in des moines! to be near a job, but i'm moving back to seattle as soon as i find a place. i can't wait as i've not enjoyed my experience in exburbia. where part of town are you in?

-geoffrey smallsynth

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Post by Wiglaf » Sat May 19, 2007 3:37 am

I've grown to like mixing and other such production aspects so much that I now want to do it for a living.
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Post by i_watch_stars » Sat May 19, 2007 4:13 am

Here is the BIG SECRET TO MIXING....

To be good a mixing, you must first FAIL....then fail again, and again, and again. The more failures you have, the greater you will be as a mixer. You can read the most mixing advice out there, but until you sit there and work your a*s off and fail about 400 times, you won't be any good. If you fail about 10 times, and then all of the sudden you start succeeding, it just means you are actually still failing, you just don't have good ears and need to pick another hobby.

Oh, and also copy what mixing patters you hear in professional music :)


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Post by brian.only » Sat May 19, 2007 5:48 am

i_watch_stars wrote:Here is the BIG SECRET TO MIXING....

To be good a mixing, you must first FAIL....then fail again, and again, and again. The more failures you have, the greater you will be as a mixer. You can read the most mixing advice out there, but until you sit there and work your a*s off and fail about 400 times, you won't be any good. If you fail about 10 times, and then all of the sudden you start succeeding, it just means you are actually still failing, you just don't have good ears and need to pick another hobby.

Oh, and also copy what mixing patters you hear in professional music :)


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may we all keep failing my man... :roll:
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Post by mistercooper » Wed May 23, 2007 10:32 pm

Maple Valley here. Im going to Evergreen starting in sept :twisted:
I dunno if you guys have seen their electronic music labs...
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