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Being louder than a guitarist

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:19 pm
by Jabberwalky
How do those in guitar and bass type bands overcome the ever screeching wail of guitar? I find myself playing in an almost low-mid register to hear myself. Does anyone have any hints, such as filter types, eq etc.?

Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:10 am
by wiss
live?

in one band of many, 2 guitars, bass and drums to compete with....never could hear myself..no moniter for me..so I bought a small mixer and DI box. I played with headphones on but low enough where I could hear everyone perfectly and just enough of me.

Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 3:21 am
by brian.only
I run through a FET boost, and play through a 4x12 w/ two horns out of a 150 w bass head. I can usually hear myself pretty well. You can also pick out a frequency range per song so I'm not fighting anything. Unfortunately sometimes its just hard to hear others esp on stage when everything can sound muffled if there isnt any monitors...

Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:24 pm
by Stab Frenzy
I have a great big Peavey amp. Sounds muddy as h**l but it's pretty freakin loud.

The best way to sort it out though is coming to an agreement that it's crappy if people can't hear everything properly. Work out with your guitarist to play in different bits of the frequency spectrum, usually you can give them the high mids and get them to scoop out their low mids and lows, then make sure all your patches have a LPF set low enough that you don't get in the guitarist's way.

Another good thing is working out the arrangements of the songs so that you're not always playing at the same time. Doing kind of call and response stuff with a guitar and a synth sounds cool.

So to summarise:
1. Get a decent amp, don't rely on the foldback system.
2. Don't hog/let them hog the whole frequency spectrum.
3. Don't play at the same time.

:thumbright:

Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:05 pm
by MrHope
I agree with Stab on this one, and I'd add, don't get caught up in an all out loudness battle because your hearing will lose in the long run.

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:09 am
by tallowwaters
Stab Frenzy wrote:Doing kind of call and response stuff with a guitar and a synth sounds cool.
Because that wont get tiresome after, say.... half a song :lol:

Really though, Stab's advice was sound for recording. As far as practice, tell the guy to turn it down. Even better, if you sleep with his girlfriend (or boyfriend, I aint one to judge), I bet he wont even come to practice anymore.

another tip - work out who plays leads and who plays chords. Too many note clusters can turn to utter c**p.

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:51 am
by killanator
definitely not have both playing leads at the same time unless its like a shout chorus, and if it is make sure you both agree to balance volume well

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:53 pm
by th0mas
i make sure the guitarist's amp is across the stage from my synths, and I move a monitor next to me. Our first gig, I had the guitar amp right behind me and couldn't hear anything else.

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:41 pm
by tallowwaters
Also - set your amp on a chair. Amps on the floor suck for hearing...

Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:42 pm
by Joey
I usually throw a beer bottle at his head.

he cant play if there is glass in his eye.

volume problem solved.

:lol:

Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:03 am
by Analog Freak
Simple, just take the fuse out of the back of their amplifier and replace it with another one of about half the current rating. That way when they play loud for long periods of time. Pop goes the amplifier. Either that or pass the guy running your front-of-house a twenty to screw up their solos. I have to admit Tallowwater's suggestion would work pretty well. Just don't come crying to me if you get herpes from Shamu. :lol:

Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:35 am
by GeneralBigbag
killanator wrote:definitely not have both playing leads at the same time unless its like a shout chorus,
Or if you know how to write.