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Re: Tube warmth

Post by Joey » Tue Jan 19, 2010 5:30 am

speaking of sherman filterbank...

heres my xtk through the filterbank and audio damage EOS reverb

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Re: Tube warmth

Post by RobotHeroes » Tue Jan 19, 2010 5:38 am

Joey wrote:everything ends here

Hey that sounds familiar...
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Re: Tube warmth

Post by Scories » Tue Jan 19, 2010 5:44 am

RobotHeroes wrote:Has anyone used the presonus blue tubes? Quality wise are the single and double versions the same?(they seem to roughly go for 100 used on eBay).

This thread popped up and I've been looking at the same thing. Warmth coloring for digital stuff and a nice little boost for analog stuff. Like mentioned in the thread my RE-201 does a nice job but having a tube unit will probably come in handy.
I have never tried the Presonus BlueTube, I've been searching a lot about it and many people mentionned that their 'sweet spot' is hard to find and that they become more unstable as time goes by. EHX 2ube seems to have a better reputation, a greater control and a good sound quality.. and a good warm sound. Will buy one soon...

Btw, a tube preamp + a re-201 will sound as warm as a genuine analog oven!!

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Re: Tube warmth

Post by RobotHeroes » Tue Jan 19, 2010 5:54 am

Good to know. I was looking at the EHX 2ube as well but keeping an eye open for rack units or something that would fit in a rack that I can adjust from a front panel.
Scories wrote:Btw, a tube preamp + a re-201 will sound as warm as a genuine analog oven!!
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Re: Tube warmth

Post by tallowwaters » Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:34 pm

Lower end Presonus gear with toobs = non distinct mush, if any difference at all.

Bellari makes tubes that run at full voltage if one must simply go the single 12ax7 for warmth route. You need to swap out some opamps and change the pots, but it sounds decent afterwards. Some of the upper end ART units sound okay too.

If you really want that starved tube sound, I wouldn't look any further than PAIA stuff. I think they come closest to utilizing the technology in a useful way.

Otherwise, there a million other inexpensive ways to find warmth. Old Akai/Roberts R2Rs (modified for dual tube staging), old power amps with lots of iron, old Masco PAs, the like.
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Re: Tube warmth

Post by Scories » Tue Jan 19, 2010 4:40 pm

tallowwaters wrote:If you really want that starved tube sound, I wouldn't look any further than PAIA stuff. I think they come closest to utilizing the technology in a useful way.
PAIA - Yeah, I heard of them. They have many models, some are more suited for guitars; which one would you choose?
9305KEN HiFi TubeHead Kit
9305HSR Rack Mount TubeHead Kit
http://www.paia.com/tubestuff.asp

Both are strereo. First one is called the hi-fi and the 2nd one is apparently made for exagerating the tube sound. Sounds like a good choice. Now I'll try to track down some reviews.

Thanks a lot for the advice!

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Re: Tube warmth

Post by code green » Tue Jan 19, 2010 6:23 pm

tallowwaters wrote:Lower end Presonus gear with toobs = non distinct mush, if any difference at all.

Bellari makes tubes that run at full voltage if one must simply go the single 12ax7 for warmth route. You need to swap out some opamps and change the pots, but it sounds decent afterwards. Some of the upper end ART units sound okay too.

If you really want that starved tube sound, I wouldn't look any further than PAIA stuff. I think they come closest to utilizing the technology in a useful way.

Otherwise, there a million other inexpensive ways to find warmth. Old Akai/Roberts R2Rs (modified for dual tube staging), old power amps with lots of iron, old Masco PAs, the like.
+1--imho and experience those low-end standalone tube units do little more than introduce unwanted noise into the signal. which is basically what their mfgr's claim to do, except the clam/expectation is that it will be desired noise. which, for the application at hand, may work, admittedly....but i still think you'd get more bang for buck/satisfaction with an offbeat/vintage piece...not something high end and sought after, obviously, but something weird/obscure/forgotten/neglected for not being toob (like cool old solid state preamps).

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Re: Tube warmth

Post by novielo » Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:25 pm

Scories wrote:
tallowwaters wrote:If you really want that starved tube sound, I wouldn't look any further than PAIA stuff. I think they come closest to utilizing the technology in a useful way.
PAIA - Yeah, I heard of them. They have many models, some are more suited for guitars; which one would you choose?
9305KEN HiFi TubeHead Kit
9305HSR Rack Mount TubeHead Kit
i got the tube head model. nice rig but sometime it's a little to harsh for my taste BUT since you build it you can change how symmetrical they are and it does a huge difference in the sound.
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Re: Tube warmth

Post by tallowwaters » Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:33 pm

Yeah, the PAIA tubehead can be especially harsh, but I chain it back into itself to make it even more harsh. It can do subtle though.
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Re: Tube warmth

Post by Scories » Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:59 pm

Yeah, and that fatman synth seems to sound swell.. in a dirty analog way of course! :)

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Re: Tube warmth

Post by Hair » Wed Jan 20, 2010 1:14 am

How about this $150 bad boy? Not sure where it's starved plate (I remember reading somewhere that it runs the tubes kind of lean but that's all I know for sure): http://www.grantfidelity.com/site/B-283 ... sor+Buffer

For me it's main attraction is that it's stereo

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Re: Tube warmth

Post by Scories » Wed Jan 20, 2010 6:22 pm

Hair wrote:How about this $150 bad boy? Not sure where it's starved plate (I remember reading somewhere that it runs the tubes kind of lean but that's all I know for sure): http://www.grantfidelity.com/site/B-283 ... sor+Buffer

For me it's main attraction is that it's stereo
Thanks for the suggestion, that's very interesting. The reviews on their site are over-the-top, the design is good and the price is low. The only drawback is that it seems to use RCA inputs, but that's not a big deal. That's a very tempting choice for a warm non-destructive option, but I think I might get a PAiA kit for that, eventually.

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Re: Tube warmth

Post by tallowwaters » Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:20 pm

Scories wrote:
Hair wrote:How about this $150 bad boy? Not sure where it's starved plate (I remember reading somewhere that it runs the tubes kind of lean but that's all I know for sure): http://www.grantfidelity.com/site/B-283 ... sor+Buffer

For me it's main attraction is that it's stereo
The only drawback is that it seems to use RCA inputs.
It's HiFi gear.
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Re: Tube warmth

Post by Scories » Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:50 pm

yeah, i know that. ;)

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Re: Tube warmth

Post by veer chasm » Sat Jan 30, 2010 2:29 pm

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