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Re: Expensive MIDI Cables...?

Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:43 pm
by smoothcriminal
th0mas wrote:Except for in the extreme case, noise on cables with digital signals doesn't really matter because a 1 with 10% noise is still a 1 and a 0 a 0.
That's pretty much exactly what I was trying to say, I just said it in a more stupid way because I'm not that educated on the subject. I think I meant that an audio signal is directly interpreted from voltage levels whereas a digital signal is either on or off. Is that a less retarded way of putting it?

Re: Expensive MIDI Cables...?

Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:51 pm
by th0mas
smoothcriminal wrote: I meant that an audio signal is directly interpreted from voltage levels whereas a digital signal is either on or off. Is that a less retarded way of putting it?
yup :)

Re: Expensive MIDI Cables...?

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:11 am
by madtheory
Try this discussion on gearslutz. Gets scary real fast. Glad folk here are sensible :)

Re: Expensive MIDI Cables...?

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 1:02 pm
by tallowwaters
You know, I am usually adamantly opposed to snake oil like expensive cables (which are only better in that they supposedly last longer, not sound better), but I actually had an experience where nice cables actually made a difference. It was a VCR that was ghosting the channel picture in with some noise, etc. I tried several of those cheapo RCAs, all of them worked fine on other VCRs, but I actually bought one of the expensive gold plated sets and bam, clear picture.

I always get a chuckle out of guitar players making their poor argument justifying expensive cables, especially considering the internal wiring of their guitar is likely done with lowest common denominator hook up wire and piss poor soldering in a non shielded cavity.

Re: Expensive MIDI Cables...?

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:31 pm
by sequentialsoftshock
I'm with you, Tallow. It's not like your synthesizers and other equipment are wired with solid gold. They're really only convenient for the longevity and sometimes extremely long runs.

I purchased 10 ft of Mogami gold cable and two Neutrik connectors last evening to try out. Mainly because I needed a cable and never made one myself, so figured it would be a learning experience. :thumbsup:

Re: Expensive MIDI Cables...?

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:48 pm
by th0mas
I've found more important than cable quality is keeping noisy power adapters away from my analog cables. As far away as possible, which isn't simple a lot of the time since you have 10 device that all need power and provide audio... But it's amazing how big a difference an inch or two can make sometimes with a noisy 9v wallwart's cable near an audio cable.

Re: Expensive MIDI Cables...?

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 4:50 pm
by sequentialsoftshock
th0mas wrote:I've found more important than cable quality is keeping noisy power adapters away from my analog cables. As far away as possible, which isn't simple a lot of the time since you have 10 device that all need power and provide audio... But it's amazing how big a difference an inch or two can make sometimes with a noisy 9v wallwart's cable near an audio cable.
+1
The worse is when you're recording an amplified instrument and you need to sometimes eliminate ground hum caused by any number of things.

Re: Expensive MIDI Cables...?

Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 6:28 pm
by madtheory
I don't think Mogami make gold cable, it's just copper...
tallowwaters wrote:but I actually had an experience where nice cables actually made a difference.
Grounding is easy to get wrong with video cables, and they have to be 75 ohm. Too many cheap cables are simply not within spec. The specs are not as tight with audio cables.

Re: Expensive MIDI Cables...?

Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 8:15 pm
by sequentialsoftshock
madtheory wrote:I don't think Mogami make gold cable, it's just copper...
No, it's just the lines name- Mogami Gold. They have silver line as well. But I think you knew that already ;)

Re: Expensive MIDI Cables...?

Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:29 am
by pianogrl697
Just paid $40 for a Yamaha UX16 Audio cable adapter. Then I was told there were cheaper ones but, not turning back now, lol.

Re: Expensive MIDI Cables...?

Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:40 pm
by nogginj
In regards to making your own midi cables, you only need three conductor right? Or two conductor with shield.

Midi cables have 5 pins but don't use but 3 of them.
http://www.colomar.com/Shavano/midi_cable.html

Also I would think shielding is important, and could explain some 'low quality' cables.

Re: Expensive MIDI Cables...?

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:09 am
by astroidmist
You can also buy a MIDI adapter to link 2 MIDI cables together to make one single long cable. It's sometimes cheaper than buying a new long one.

Re: Expensive MIDI Cables...?

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:42 pm
by cornutt
nogginj wrote:In regards to making your own midi cables, you only need three conductor right? Or two conductor with shield.
Yeah, two conductors with shield. The shield should be tied to pin 3(?) at one end only.

Re: Expensive MIDI Cables...?

Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 10:19 pm
by jxalex
Erotic Cabaret wrote:Obviously, MIDI timing and MIDI CC accuracy are keys to good sounding sequences. I've seen "boutique" MIDI cables that are quite expensive, such as Monster Cable's M-MIDI line. Are these "boutique" MIDI cables better in some way?

EC
NEVER! It is 200% snake oil.
The accuraccy has never to do with cables unless you are just using a simple lamp cord wire over 10 meter length.

I really suggest getting a soldering iron and then everyone knows what is a cable and it will put permanently out of business the snake oil salesmen!


cable is just a cable. ANY symmetrical audio cable will do. In fact, even pair of CAT5 will help you out (then You have 4 pairs in one shielding). Just one thing is still suggested to have in order to be picky -- cable shielding have to be connected to ground just on ONE connector. It will minimize the ground loop induced hums, but even that is nothing complicated what a pair of scissors and isolating tape cannot fix.


BUT... it is a gray area since not so many people can actually solder correctly and make their own cables?
If they dont do it then of course they are lost and dont know that cable is just a cable.

I have ALL MIDI and audio cables made myself. When it comes to midi then I just take out spontaneusly pair of DIN5 connectors and a symmetrical audio cable for this, or just a cheapest stereo cable (3 meters / 1 USD) using it as shielded symmetrical and solder connectors on it. Also cheap DIN5-DIN5 generic universal audio cables work for this!

I do it becouse -- plenty of materials and connectors which can I resolder, almost any cable works for this and spontaneusly I can solve it by getting any custom length cables between 20cm - 6 metre and its switchbays.
So far only ONE cable has gone broken in multiple places in a last 15 years and in fact it was NOT the cheapest cable,
but next to cheapest -- it had quite good smooth and thick isolation, good shielding inside, still, the inner connector broke down on several places.
However cables from shop with molded plugs wont last so long. Still it does not mean that its cables fault -- just a connector.

Re: Expensive MIDI Cables...?

Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2016 11:22 pm
by gcoudert
I bought ALL my MIDI cables in 1987/1988! I have about six and they still work fine. I can't remember how much I paid for them but they can't have been expensive.