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Eventide Space Reverb & Beyond & ZVex Tremorama

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 3:04 am
by bhrama
Hey folks, I'm really loving the demo's I've found on these two gems. While expensive, they seem a step above sonically and packed full of features. Have any of you guys used either of these pedals? I'll use my FX with Keys, Synths & Beats, no guitar. The videos I've seen only have guitar, so if anyone feels these two pedals won't work well with my gear, please chime in. Basically I'm looking for further insight of pros vs. cons.

FX I currently own : MF-104z, Hotcake & Small Stone. I have used the Line 6 M13, but I'm moving on from it.

Re: Eventide Space Reverb & Beyond & ZVex Tremorama

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:22 am
by space6oy
haven't had a tremorama, but zvex pedals are pretty great.

Re: Eventide Space Reverb & Beyond & ZVex Tremorama

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:43 am
by Stab Frenzy
I haven't used a Space cause they're not out over here yet, but I think I'm gonna get one when they do get here. I have an Eventide Eclipse and a Timefactor and they're the two best sounding effects I own, the only thing about the Eclipse that I don't love is that it doesn't have a heap of knobs all over it for tweaking stuff, because of that I tend to use the Timefactor more for everything delay related, and that's why I'm GASing so hard for a Space.

I know a lot of people who have Timefactors, fewer but still a few who have Eventide rack units, and none of them have ever regretted spending what is actually a fair chuck of cash on them. As an MF-104 owner I'm sure you appreciate paying a bit more for really nice effects. I have one of those too and truth be told I like the Eventide more.

Here's a track I did which is absolutely soaking in Eclipse reverb. I forget which algorithm it is, I think some kind of reverb/pitchshift combo, and the decay time is something like 50 sec and it doesn't grain up at all. I f**k love this unit.


Re: Eventide Space Reverb & Beyond & ZVex Tremorama

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:00 pm
by tallowwaters
I'll give you an idea about how much I love my Timefactor - I plopped down for the Space without even hearing it when it was announced.

I'm with Stab, Eventide is just amazing. The only problem with buying them is the eventual GAS for the H8000.

Re: Eventide Space Reverb & Beyond & ZVex Tremorama

Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 12:30 pm
by bhrama
Thx for the input here gents. I love the stuff I'm hearing from Timefactor, not only experienced opinions but videos too. I recently got the MF104z at a ridiculous price, so couldn't pass it up. Before that I'd been in a long term internal debate between Timefactor & MF104 (I'm silly in that I imposed some guilt that my voyager wasn't allowed enough CV toys). Just scored a Tremorama for pretty cheap as well, so now for the Space....ahhh a touch of H8000. I just saw the demo vid form Novamusik using a TR808 with it, oh boy. GAS



Ok, settled.Done. I must save enough for Tempest!

Re: Eventide Space Reverb & Beyond & ZVex Tremorama

Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:24 am
by bhrama
Tagging on another question here, pertaining to routing, gigging and general set-up.

1.) So I now have the following: ModFactor, TimeFactor, Space and Hotcake. For a live set-up I'm planning on using a Mackie 1202vlz3 (http://www.mackie.com/products/1202vlz3/), to route gear through and have more control on effects. The Eventide stuff is stereo, however the Hotcake is mono....so should I just run Aux 1 FX as the Eventide pieces and let the Mono (Hotcake) be thru Aux 2 FX? Does this make sense? I know it may seem simple to some folks here, but I hate to lose Stereo all together. On the other hand, most of the time (aside from recording in my studio where I have control) my sound gets sent out Mono by the sound guy, mainly because they either suck, or don't care about keyboards or anything other than Guitar, Bass & Drums. Any suggestions as to what I might need to ensure stereo out to the main mix? DI box? Couldn't a sound engineer go directly out Stereo, from my Mackie?

2.) Any suggestion for good, short cords to link my FX to one another and back to the Mackie?

3.) Also any suggestions on a hardcase, or carry-all that could easily be opened and plugged in for quick on-stage set-ups? Both my bands purposely like to open, or be placed in the middle of a set, so the more streamlined my set-up and assembly time the better. I've seen guitarists and bassists use cases, but haven't been able to find that sort of thing. Like a case that the top just pops off of and wham-o, plug and play. I'd like to have the option of leaving the gear routed and ready, if at all possible.

Re: Eventide Space Reverb & Beyond & ZVex Tremorama

Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 5:28 am
by Stab Frenzy
bhrama wrote:1.) So I now have the following: ModFactor, TimeFactor, Space and Hotcake. For a live set-up I'm planning on using a Mackie 1202vlz3 (http://www.mackie.com/products/1202vlz3/), to route gear through and have more control on effects. The Eventide stuff is stereo, however the Hotcake is mono....so should I just run Aux 1 FX as the Eventide pieces and let the Mono (Hotcake) be thru Aux 2 FX? Does this make sense? I know it may seem simple to some folks here, but I hate to lose Stereo all together. On the other hand, most of the time (aside from recording in my studio where I have control) my sound gets sent out Mono by the sound guy, mainly because they either suck, or don't care about keyboards or anything other than Guitar, Bass & Drums.
If you want to use the eventide stuff as true stereo you need to set them up with aux one going to the left channel and aux two going to the right. That means you only get one stereo send, and you can't use the stereo input channels on the desk as their aux sends are summed mono. This is an issue I've found with all small desks, and that's why I use a DJ mixer when I play live. It's overly huge and I only get one aux send, but at least it sounds good and the send is true stereo.

If I was setting this up I would probably have the Space on Aux 1 and the TF on Aux 2, both mono out and stereo in. You wouldn't get true mono but at least you'd have a decent amount of control over each. I wouldn't use chorus, flanging or distortion as a send/return effect, those kind of things (as well as compression and EQ) are best used inline. But there are no rules and if you like the way something sounds then that's all the matters.
bhrama wrote:Any suggestions as to what I might need to ensure stereo out to the main mix? DI box? Couldn't a sound engineer go directly out Stereo, from my Mackie?
Give them two leads, one left and one right, and tell them to hard pan them. In fact you don't even need two leads IIRC as the VLZ outputs can be switched to mic level so you can plug mic leads directly to the XLR outputs. The only reason this wouldn't happen would be if there weren't enough channels available on the desk, but that shouldn't happen all that often. In my experience the best thing to do is hire a good engineer who you work with regularly and they'll do whatever you want.
bhrama wrote:2.) Any suggestion for good, short cords to link my FX to one another and back to the Mackie?
If you want good, make your own with Canare or Mogami cable and Neutrik connectors.
bhrama wrote:3.) Also any suggestions on a hardcase, or carry-all that could easily be opened and plugged in for quick on-stage set-ups? Both my bands purposely like to open, or be placed in the middle of a set, so the more streamlined my set-up and assembly time the better. I've seen guitarists and bassists use cases, but haven't been able to find that sort of thing. Like a case that the top just pops off of and wham-o, plug and play. I'd like to have the option of leaving the gear routed and ready, if at all possible.
Find a company who make custom mixer and pedal cases, then tell them exactly what you want and they'll build it for you. A lot of guys I know do it that way, bring in everything on a pedalboard, put it on a keyboard stand, take off the lid and you're ready to go. Here's a picture I found from a place here who makes them:

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A cheaper option is to find a large pedalboard or DJ case and adapt it yourself.

I'm planning on getting one made up for myself soon, once I can decide on a size...

Re: Eventide Space Reverb & Beyond & ZVex Tremorama

Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 5:36 am
by bhrama
Damn Stabs, you dropped some science! Thx for the great input, appreciated as always.

Re: Eventide Space Reverb & Beyond & ZVex Tremorama

Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 6:37 am
by Stab Frenzy
Glad to help. I spent years figuring all this stuff out myself so happy to save anyone else the time. :D

Re: Eventide Space Reverb & Beyond & ZVex Tremorama

Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 11:56 am
by tallowwaters
As far as cases go, it's pretty easy to find a plastic suitcase or some such case at the thrift store and just a piece of one side's hinges off with a dremel or something to allow removal of the lid.

Anyhow, glad to hear you are digging the pedals. I am apparently still f**k waiting at Sweetwater for my Space...

Re: Eventide Space Reverb & Beyond & ZVex Tremorama

Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 12:11 pm
by bhrama
Tal, I got mine from Novamusik, they had one left when I ordered. If it makes you feel any better my bud ordered one from there as well, after me, and it is still back-ordered.

BTW, Space is quite possible the best thing since sliced bread....not to tease or anything ;)

Also, I can't even begin to describe how amazing these Eventide stompers have proven to be. Honestly, you could take a $7.99 toy and these babies would make them sound decent, at the very least interesting. I'd love to add to Tal's FX review sticky, but fear I need more time and saturation with them. I swear after using them these past few weeks, it feels like a Beatles quote I heard once. To paraphrase: "we were all playing in one room, and then they (Beatles) came along, opened a door and showed us a whole other room altogether."

In essence, I'm thoroughly blown away with their build quality, OS/format and brilliantly simple, yet deeply discretionary.

Re: Eventide Space Reverb & Beyond & ZVex Tremorama

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 9:15 pm
by blavatsky
ack, making me want an Eventide space now .....
I know how you feel - I thought I knew a good delay sound (echo park, KP3 which are both still good but...) then I got the timefactor; you could run the worst thrift store keyboard into that thing and come up some some amazing textures. I've got my fusion run through it now, and some pads/rhodes sounds through it are frickin mouth watering.

Re: Eventide Space Reverb & Beyond & ZVex Tremorama

Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 1:54 pm
by organsymphony
bhrama wrote:On the other hand, most of the time (aside from recording in my studio where I have control) my sound gets sent out Mono by the sound guy, mainly because they either suck, or don't care about keyboards or anything other than Guitar, Bass & Drums. Any suggestions as to what I might need to ensure stereo out to the main mix? DI box? Couldn't a sound engineer go directly out Stereo, from my Mackie?
Most sound engineers are only taking mono because their systems are probably only mono anyway. There's no real advantage for clubs having a stereo sound system. Person A stood over there gets all the stuff panned L and Person B on the other side of the room gets everything panned R.

I only take keyboards direct in mono, unless the act informs me they have stereo effects like a leslie or whatever, or some stage pianos have a slight panning between the lower and upper registers, in which case I'll take it in stereo just so I'm not losing half of what they're sending out. But it all gets summed to mono anyway.

Re: Eventide Space Reverb & Beyond & ZVex Tremorama

Posted: Fri May 06, 2011 6:33 am
by Stab Frenzy
organsymphony wrote:
bhrama wrote:On the other hand, most of the time (aside from recording in my studio where I have control) my sound gets sent out Mono by the sound guy, mainly because they either suck, or don't care about keyboards or anything other than Guitar, Bass & Drums. Any suggestions as to what I might need to ensure stereo out to the main mix? DI box? Couldn't a sound engineer go directly out Stereo, from my Mackie?
Most sound engineers are only taking mono because their systems are probably only mono anyway. There's no real advantage for clubs having a stereo sound system. Person A stood over there gets all the stuff panned L and Person B on the other side of the room gets everything panned R.

I only take keyboards direct in mono, unless the act informs me they have stereo effects like a leslie or whatever, or some stage pianos have a slight panning between the lower and upper registers, in which case I'll take it in stereo just so I'm not losing half of what they're sending out. But it all gets summed to mono anyway.
Never in my life have I played in or mixed in a venue with a mono PA, and I've been playing shows for 10 years and mixing professionally for 4. I've heard this things about club systems being mono before, but never have I encountered it.

Eventide SPACE

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:12 pm
by b3groover
I just picked one of these up and had the opportunity to try it on my Andromeda last night.

Holy c**p!

Amazing little box. The depth of the reverbs is incredible. It makes me lust after a Timefactor. But I can certainly have some fun with this in the meantime.

I'll try to post some samples in the near future.