A/D converter for analog synth

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A/D converter for analog synth

Post by muhammed » Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:09 pm

I have tc konnekt 24d sound interface ,ıts a/d converters do not satisfy me , but I am curious about If I get mytek or something like this , does it make significant impact on the sound ? should ı buy new sound ınterface with good a/d converters like apogee duet or something.
how do you record your analog synths to your computer to get closest original sound?
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Re: A/D converter for analog synth

Post by madtheory » Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:22 pm

It's unlikely to be the converters, but to be sure give us more info on your setup- especially your monitors and room treatment. Also what levels you're using...

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Re: A/D converter for analog synth

Post by muhammed » Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:05 am

No acoustic treatment therefore I use headphones, also I set recording level as 'mid' but sometimes a little less than this.
I would like you to know that I have six year experiences with analog synthsizers and I am sure about what I record into the DAW is not same as orginal sound. I can make a judgement between analog and digital sound. I have enough experience.

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Re: A/D converter for analog synth

Post by pflosi » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:47 am

Are you using the mic/instrument inputs or the line inputs?

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Re: A/D converter for analog synth

Post by muhammed » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:59 am

I use mic/instrument inputs for everything.

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Re: A/D converter for analog synth

Post by Stab Frenzy » Thu Jun 20, 2013 10:45 am

muhammed wrote:I use mic/instrument inputs for everything.
There's your problem, you should be using line inputs.

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Re: A/D converter for analog synth

Post by madtheory » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:09 am

Very likely that is the issue. You have incorrect impedance bridging.

The problem with "experience" is that it's impossible to quantify on a forum. Other stuff is easier to account for, which is why I asked those questions. What make and model of headphones are you using? Can you give your level settings in dBFS? Are you monitoring pre or post converter, using the same headphone amp in each case?

The Apogee is a fine converter, the Mytek is probably slightly better. Your TC is fine as well though. If you want the ultimate converter, I think the Prism Orpheus or Lyra are the best. But I would get good speakers and acoustic treatment first.

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Re: A/D converter for analog synth

Post by muhammed » Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:51 pm

headphone: I have too many headphones but I am using Creative headphones (dont laugh!)for mixing and listening
recording db:-3-db.-5 db
sound source(korg ms 20) volume level:4-5
I am using same headphone out on sound interface both listening and recording.
Prisim orpheus is out of my budget. I also found mytek 192 for usd.700, is it really worth it?

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Re: A/D converter for analog synth

Post by muhammed » Thu Jun 20, 2013 9:09 pm

I recorded synth to line input . result is wondeful better than mic/ins. input and more neutral. ı can't believe it.
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Re: A/D converter for analog synth

Post by madtheory » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:10 pm

Be happy that your ears are good enough to hear such a difference on poor headphones! :)

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Re: A/D converter for analog synth

Post by muhammed » Fri Jun 21, 2013 3:08 pm

yes my ears are very sensitive:)
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Dont underestimate my poor headphones I am using it may be more than 6 years. I also have akg 240,Senheisser...
it's hard to believe that I tried focal solo ,adam5x-7x ,icon and krk vt8 but nothing pleased me like Creative did.
yamah ns 10 crapiest referance monitors ı've ever listen but world biggest studios use it to check their mixes.
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Re: A/D converter for analog synth

Post by Solderman » Mon Jun 24, 2013 4:30 am

Alright, someone please explain to me the negative effect of a line-level signal going into a mic-pre typically used for Hi-Z sources. Seems to me any decent mic-Pre will adjust its load based on the source impedance, so the noise floor isn't affected. Perhaps there is also a gap in quality between console mic-pre's and audio interface mic-pre's. Is the concern as simple as distortion of the peaks or is it more complex than that?
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Re: A/D converter for analog synth

Post by madtheory » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:04 am

I think a badly designed output can get loaded- it's usually lack of current due to cost cutting in the PSU. Placebo could also be at play here.

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Re: A/D converter for analog synth

Post by pflosi » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:09 am

Solderman wrote:...any decent mic-Pre...
That's the issue right there I suppose...

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