And why still that hardware counterpart is 10 times more expensive in this case?
Not really, I've seen plenty of WS's being sold for cheap that didn't even sell. They are far less in demand than, for example, the D-50, *precisely* because the software has so many advantages.
jxalex wrote:I get impression that for $50 what I get is just a piece of software which makes additional demands about the system
No, it's an extremely light CPU plugin. I can run hundreds of voices on my laptop without it breaking a sweat.
jxalex wrote:If the software version of Korg M1 and wavestation would be so much better, then how come that their prices never have really dropped in the last 10 years after several VST releases of these synthesizers?
The prices of the WS did drop significantly. Maybe not in your market, but here in the UK, Wavestations are typically sold for less than the DX7S, and up to a quarter of the price of the D-50.
jxalex wrote:Do you remember that there was already Korg legacy VST version as the 32bit ? And funny that those who bought it, now need to buy again as it does need to be "upgraded" to 64bit.
Eh? I don't know what nonsense you are spouting, but I bought the Korg Legacy Digital collection when it was 32-bit, and it's had upgrades along the way, and I'm running a 64-bit version now, that I did not have to pay again for.
THose PCM waveform cards can be copied with EPROM reader and that data put into flash memory makes it instant clone card. I would not dare to put up a shop for this, but just lets say that I would be happy about borrowing some PCM cards... and You can get a copy of it?...
I would be glad and You too. Becouse so far the WS archive contains NO PCM WAVEFORM DATA about the cards (hey, someone correct me if I am wrong and put the link to these 2MW cards PCM waveform dumps! hmm..
. They have only sysex info about the program/combinations so far as it does not require any wiring.
Of course people have only uploaded sysex, because ripping the PCM card contents is beyond the ability of most people - I certainly can't do it, unless I did the research to figure out what hardware I needed, bought reader hardware (and probably a PC to do it with). Plus the added fact that waveform data (= audio recordings) has a proper copyright protection (= "Sound Recording") as compared to patches which aren't protected by law other than basic claimed copyrights. And then getting card blanks, and writing the data to those.. maybe it's easy these days, but it wan't trivial back when I looked at this some years ago...
jxalex wrote:The hardware has totally different advantages over the software versions, but so far no-one have talked about it
You must have skipped my posts, then. The hardware, other than being hardware, having a keyboard and wheels/joystick etc has exactly *one* advantage over the software - that it sounds "worse" but that is the sound of the hardware, and it's a nice kind of worse - ie it has character and it's grungy, defocused, thick character is subjectively nicer than the clean, clear, hifi software version - which can be roughed up a little with plugins, so with the software you get the choice of being clean or dirty if you want to - not so much with the hardware, which is always dirty. (Pretty sure that the original designers would have loved to used expensive convertors and have the WS sound *more* hifi like the software is now, if they could...)
(Well, patch management with the software is poor - well, it also is with the hardware, but using Soundiver with the hardware was way better than anything else for patch management).
*But* with the software there are many many improvements over the hardware - polyphony (which is a *big problem on the hardware, you can make a single performance that "requires" 256 voices - you only have 32.).
Proper filters, many many more banks instantly available, multiple instances without requiring the use the hardware's Multi mode and FX jiggling, no displays that whine, no fading backlights, no poorly designed power supplies that die etc etc.
jxalex wrote:it is independent unit which does not demand upgrades and integrates with any software package and platform, whatever old it is until it has atleast MIDI! Neither it complains that it is "outdated" nor needs "updates". Neither it causes any trouble if You change other components in your studio. At the same time VST versions make their own demands, are for latest contemporary systems only. BEsides I cannot get old software versions. At the same time YOu can get old hardware.
You seem to have had a hard time with this. I just bought the software something like ten years ago (or whenever it came out and it's continued to work fine on all my systems as I've gone through the years.)
jxalex wrote:Soundwise there is really no difference -- algorithms are the same or not?
There is one difference - the hardware goes through cheap convertors, which impart of crappy quality onto the sound, which the software doesn't do. If you wanted to replicate this, you'd need to find some combination of plugin processing that does a similar job, but it's a subtle thing and you could get 85% there by rolling of the top end a bit and maybe adding a very very slight amount of controlled distortion.
Personally, I like the clarity of the software, and I like the grunginess of the hardware. Yes, it would be nice to have a preference in the Legacy version to switch convertor emulation on or off, but in lieu of that, I'm fine with the extra fidelity - your milage may vary of course.
Note - I don't really use my hardware WS at all anymore, other than for the keyboard at times. The software is a perfectly fine substitute, and all my patches are available to me. I love it. And it hasn't caused me one problem, crash, fan spin up due to CPU load, or given me a single problem with copy protection or crashing. I really like both the WS and M1 plugins, for what they do.
Korg really did a nice job on them imo (though the interface could be better on the WS) - I only wish Roland did as good a job with theirs...
And no, I'm not going to send you my WS PCM cards...