OK, how many more others are here who attack the less-than-modern setup or also retro computer users?
Or just feel that their newest devices being superior despite its function?
Ashe37 wrote:Ok well, your 3.4 Ghz Pentium IV is just slightly slower than my cell phone.
Perhaps that "being faster" is the only function. Unless it can run all the same software and peripheral hardware, providing the same function what I use, we cannot really do the comparison.
Or that phone has all these 18 port MIDI I/O hardware and can run MadTracker 2.6 with that on top with
its MIDI port capability?
Even better if the DOS programs some of those would make sound having SPDIF output...
And what about those who really still use the ZX Spectrum with 3.5Mhz CPU and not even 64kB RAM is usable for program? Really inferior or what in Your opinion?!??
Perhaps it does not matter if it is fun to deal with such hardware. However I do not wait from that device to play video files nor to transfer files in several gigabytes (but I am not sure about this -- perhaps someone geek does that already with some special controller in a lightspeed ).
Yes, but at the same time it is certainly not a progress in a society if we still have to visit foreign country with a plane and not with a rocket??!!
Oh and yes... I can downclock that setup to 1.5GHz with CPU with less cache and still can do all the same things without any problems. But even if it has been 3Ghz, it is enough, nothing were undone becouse of such more than 10 year old "slow" single-core CPU becouse my strict choice of programs.
Never been problem unless these software giants get lazier and make programs bigger and clumsier.
And thats why other people are worried if their quadcore CPU setup with 8..32GB RAM is enough to their modern "typewriter with TV".
ANd so what? Amiga, despite with its 12Mhz CPU was way more powerful than 100Mhz Pentium having processing power when it comes to graphics, becouse of some graphic accelerators, but I really cannot take a word in this topic becouse I did not have experience with that.
Also back in the old days Gravis Ultrasound MAX with 386 at 25Mhz speed had no problem to play 32channel module (trackers, demoscene), and with bit interpolation, where 100MHz Pentium machine with Soundblaster had big problems.
First of all, if you have a Win98SE machine for DAW use, never connect it to the internet. EVER. Either specifically firewall it off from the internet completely in your router, or keep it off a network (in which case you lose the advantage of having more than one computer on the network...).
Interesting, if You worry about WIN98SE with internet connection so much, what about you say in a situation that DOS machine used to surf in the internet (there is also besides SSH and ftp clients sort of graphical web browsers)?
Hazardous for everything in the computer in this case? (currently sitting behind Linux machine)
You take quite much a word about my system whereas You have never seen it or used it or kept up to date what are all the unofficial tweaks for that system and if there is anything else besides web browsers to use internet connection!
I can still use to read mail, news, use FTP sites even with such old machines without fear that the website content would tear down the system. Not every internet site requires latest browser! FTP servers are good ones, also not every e-mail reading goes with web browser, and there are also evergreen terminal programs.
Oh yeah there is ssh port too.
Also, why You think that I have something connected *directly* to the internet?
I block out all the traffic and links to facebook, google and so on in the router already.
In fact I have ALL machines with LAN connectivity whatever it runs.
For example when I do 16bit EPROMs burning for synthesizers then that is under the DOS with 486 in which I load the binary files over 100Mbit ethernet with NFS protocol. Also I can use the same machine to read e-mail (vt100 terminal emulation) and sftp if needed.
Modem cable I do not use, but I know someone who uses it.
And.. always ... backups -- partition image files (some persons still partition the harddiscs whatever big they are) and then it is totally ok to experiment with whatever things as there is always possible to restore the whole previous HDD contents.
since when internet really did harm to win98se computer systems while all kind of viruses and worms are winXP and newest browsers compatible long time ago?
These modern platforms are the most fragile ones in my experience (as I have to listen other average people complains that why their latest trendiest computer system wont work and has utterly weird problem!) and seeing the computers with several mechanisms installed as these trojans, worms and all sorts of things really are most compatible with them, whereas on older systems or out of the ordinary configuration they just wont work. SOmeone still havent said that "Why you wont use windows 10? ALl the newest viruses and trojans work there, so you cant get the newest viruses in your collection...".
It was also some years ago situation which shows that do not go blindly with every update for windows and programs. 2013 (or so) there was a internet worm which affected the skype, but it affected only those ones which were the latest versions, it did not touched my skype as I had 5 years ago by then switched off all updating (if it works, do not repair it).
Still, I do not do all in the one machine and neither I plan to have it.
Second, yeah that P4 is going to be very long in the tooth and crashy. You are at or past the expected total lifetime of the CPU .
...and it is still working and why there should be crashes or crashy becouse of CPU?
The SSD isn't going to matter much because the hard drive controller is likely going to not be able to match the performance of the drive. At best, it is likely SATA 1, at 1 Gb/s, and the drive can do most all of the 6 Gb/s that modern SATA is capable of. If its connected by parallel ATA, then it will max out at 133 MB/s. If it is connected by a Serial ATA PCI card, it will max out at 133 MB/s because that is where the PCI interface maxes out.
I put SSD inside just to have quieter environment as that UltraSCSI160 73GB harddisc was the only loudest element remained. It was not so much gain in transfer speed after all. But I really do not bother if the copying speed would be even double speed as the most common files which I transfer are just couple MBs, not GBs.
I have tweaked and choosed all other componets to the lowest noise level and only the screen and couple 50Hz transformers are louder than computer -- so really no issue.
ALso, it is quite rare that I move the files in several GB sizes so often that I would have to wait or if that SSD would be bottleneck in my applications. Photo editing and larger files and archives I have with Linux in another machine.
None of these machines nowadays have compatibility with software or enough expansion boards to accomodate all these expansion boards and units what I have in order to use all the programs I like, so setup with multiple PCs is what I use.
At the same time brand new laptops with stickers "USB3" with Kingston brandnew USB3 stick had no faster performance than 3MB/s (windows 8).
It has since reached the point where even *games* are breaking the 2 GB limit. Its not 'bloat' its the sheer amount of detailed geometry and textures and preloading everything rather than having loading screens and the fact that
people want open world games rather than being on rails for the story.
(As a note: i never used Win98, my machine dual-booted 95 and Win2k because i was running a dual pentium pro at the time. 95 was for games.)
THen why you ever take a word about this if You never used that system and did not learned to know? Yet you are making many many assumtions as I still would have average system or just "wanting what others want".
I never considered getting computer for a games or any hardware upgrade becouse of games and never been interested about any game titles after DukeNukem3D and all past 1995 year or the platform or arcade games. (I prefered to deal with electronic schematics and building hardware instead).
I bought my Gravis Ultrasound card even if I just had EGA monitor. (VGA was very expensive on that time). But to me the picture was not so much important as to get that Gravis Ultrasound.
To me all what counts was music and what was related to demoscene and electronics. All the adjustments what I did were always considering the trackers only. At the same time the tracker music and MIDI files was for me the holy grail and that for was the whole system meant as I collected modules since 1994.
In my surrounding the Soundblaster card and its clones were much more appreciated and praised by those who were into games and not so diehard about tracker music.
(ANd now imagine 486 computer with 3 soundcards installed -- Roland RAP10, ESS Audiodrive 1868, Gravis Ultrasound ACE --- "no no, you have many IRQ conflicts this way!", are saying many dudes in first heartbeat.
So, we really are seeing importance in a different things?
I do not care about the games, but I imagine the web browsers also breaking that 2GB limit and also as other latest office software, which is absolutely ridiculous as there has not changed so much when it is need just to write couple words on to paper and not creating complex documents for publishing.
Also I hope that there will be compact small footprint DAWs coming and available which work. For MIDI work there is not really gigabytes needed. Or is it?
Still, I am not so eager to go along with new things but those who want to use FastTracker 2 on a newer hardware too which does not have ISA bus in machines, I can provide help and info. Also those who want to have somewhat unique
setup out of the ordinary.
I have spent countless hours to suss out the problems with the pileon of expansion cards with these systems.
@alltheVSTevangelists and contemporary computer trend followers
SO... go back to your box-of-sounds which You bought just yesterday with 1001 VSTs.
I only wanted to make my voice heard that the hardwares one particular advantage which is somewhat easy to forget is that its back and forward compatibility and thats why some hardware piece is having certainly value over its contemporary VST counterparts and it is certainly NOT a "no brainer" to everyone to get a VST even if it would be free. Thats all.
Afterall that thread was about hardware too, and not about the VST only, so hopefully I did not wrote in a wrong thread by saying some word about for hardware Wavestation protection...