Is the ION completely different than Andromeda?

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Is the ION completely different than Andromeda?

Post by synthmax » Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:40 pm

I've heard phrases such as "the Ion is the affordable version of Andromeda." I don't quite buy that and would imagine two are totally different machines (regardless of the analog/digital difference). Is this the case?

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Re: Is the ION completely different than Andromeda?

Post by braincandy » Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:13 pm

While the Ion is decent (I had one for a couple of years), it would not really replace an Andy.

Have you checked out demos of each on YouTube? I know it's not the best sound quality, but it can be helpful in giving you an idea of what synths sound like.
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Re: Is the ION completely different than Andromeda?

Post by cornutt » Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:22 pm

The Andromeda is a real honest-to-God analog synth. The Ion is a VA.
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Re: Is the ION completely different than Andromeda?

Post by synthmax » Wed Apr 15, 2009 8:30 pm

I am actually a Youtube troll when it comes to synths, but demos that a give a sense of an instruments almost don't exitst.

Totally understand that difference of VA vs Analog. My quesiton is, is the ION attempting to do what Andromeda does, or is the whole philosophy/structure/layout/etc different? In other words, is it by any means reasonable to say that the Ion is the little brother to Andromeda.

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Re: Is the ION completely different than Andromeda?

Post by MPrint » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:00 pm

While I haven't logged a lot of time on the Andromeda, I have on the Ion. The Andromeda is a lot heavier sounding than the Ion because it has twice as many voices and as stated above is real analog as opposed to analog modeling in the Ion. They have similar effects and features, but I think they are pretty different IMO.

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Re: Is the ION completely different than Andromeda?

Post by braincandy » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:07 pm

I've never had the impression that the Ion was based off the Andy, much less a lesser version of it. And I don't remember it ever being marketed that way. They just happened to have both been made by Alesis and were both long-overdue departures from their QS-series.

I saw the thread in Buyer's Guide where you're contemplating an Andy, but don't think you're getting a cut-down Andy on the cheap by getting an Ion. You can't really compare the two.
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Re: Is the ION completely different than Andromeda?

Post by synthmax » Wed Apr 15, 2009 9:11 pm

Cool. Exactly what I was trying to get at.

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Re: Is the ION completely different than Andromeda?

Post by hfinn » Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:45 am

Kinda like comparing a Korg MS-20 to a Korg MS-2000 ;)

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Re: Is the ION completely different than Andromeda?

Post by Jinsai » Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:37 am

Andromeda is "true analog". Ion is very good "virtual analog.
Both are subtractive synths.
Andromeda is a 2 osc per voice synth. Ion is a 3 osc per voice synth.
Andromeda has 2 multimode filters per voice, modeled on the Moog and Oberheim. Ion has 16 filter types (including models of the Moog, Oberheim, Jupiter, and ARP LPFs), including vocal formants and phase warp
Andromeda has 3 LFOs, Ion has sort of 2.5.
Both have arpeggiators.

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Re: Is the ION completely different than Andromeda?

Post by 23 » Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:58 pm

No, the Ion was not meant nor designed to act as a VA version of the Andy

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Re: Is the ION completely different than Andromeda?

Post by dalekay » Sat Jul 11, 2009 5:12 am

night and day is the difference
ION is a good mimic of other synths it's VA as pointed out

A6, hum analog and it's own beast/sound

both good synths ... each has it's own use

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Re: Is the ION completely different than Andromeda?

Post by Old Iron Giant » Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:06 am

Im curious,
Whats the build quality of the A6?

The ION in my opinion "due to my own experience" -is problematic, and poor in quality.

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Re: Is the ION completely different than Andromeda?

Post by dalekay » Sat Jul 11, 2009 7:21 am

Old Iron Giant wrote:Im curious,
Whats the build quality of the A6?

The ION in my opinion "due to my own experience" -is problematic, and poor in quality.
I wound up 3 IONs deep. the one I have now, some problems but not show stoppers.

last A6 I know of from a good friend, He did 2 and gave it back. DOA and last one I think he just sent it back for a Oasis, never thought about it again. Another one, one of the voices was out (another friend). He never did fix it last I heard from him. He just turned off that voice, lowered the levels and lived with it.

bias here and I have to tell eveyone this, I am the offical moderator for Alesis on the Yahoo ION/Micron group ...
well, I moderate and own many other groups too but I have a ION and Fusion that is in a love hate relationship and use all the time ... [-o<

patch level wise for the ION/Micron, a lot in the file area and it's building all time ... several software programs for it now too ...

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Re: Is the ION completely different than Andromeda?

Post by Old Iron Giant » Sat Jul 11, 2009 10:10 am

dalekay wrote:
Old Iron Giant wrote:Im curious,
Whats the build quality of the A6?

The ION in my opinion "due to my own experience" -is problematic, and poor in quality.
I wound up 3 IONs deep. the one I have now, some problems but not show stoppers.

last A6 I know of from a good friend, He did 2 and gave it back. DOA and last one I think he just sent it back for a Oasis, never thought about it again. Another one, one of the voices was out (another friend). He never did fix it last I heard from him. He just turned off that voice, lowered the levels and lived with it.

bias here and I have to tell eveyone this, I am the offical moderator for Alesis on the Yahoo ION/Micron group ...
well, I moderate and own many other groups too but I have a ION and Fusion that is in a love hate relationship and use all the time ... [-o<

patch level wise for the ION/Micron, a lot in the file area and it's building all time ... several software programs for it now too ...
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Re: Is the ION completely different than Andromeda?

Post by shaft9000 » Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:30 am

they're very different sounding

ion/micron - Osc's are kinda burly for a VA, some good filter options, EGs are 'Virus'-like click/snappy, never very "warm" sounding, pwm suffers like all VAs do, FM is superior to most VAs

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