SH-101 vs. Juno 60/JSQ 60

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SH-101 vs. Juno 60/JSQ 60

Postby joyfool » Fri May 08, 2009 6:47 pm

I can buy one of these set-ups, and I am torn. Other than the obvious differences, any absolute opinions one way or the other? If you could choose just one, which would it be? Also, is it possible to mod the 101 to be compatible with the JSQ? Thanks for looking.
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Re: SH-101 vs. Juno 60/JSQ 60

Postby Computer Controlled » Sat May 09, 2009 12:00 am

Why would you want to mod the 101? It's sequencer is essentially a JSQ-60, but monophonic. I personally would rather have the 101 over the Juno. But i like monosynths over polysynths. It comes down to personal preference. What's more useful to you?
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Re: SH-101 vs. Juno 60/JSQ 60

Postby Jabberwalky » Sat May 09, 2009 1:35 pm

I have both so I'm not full of s**t. The 101 is by far a better sounding instrument judging by it's raw tone. The Juno has a shitty LFO which is stuck on Triangle and doesn't go very fast at full speed. The 101 lfo can go fast enough for some tripped out FM sounds. Also, getting Midi to the 101 is easier as it has CV gates. The juno has DCB which needs it's own converter.

Umm, yeah. Build quality is pretty obvious. The juno is metal. The juno sliders are much stiffer than the 101 sliders. The pitch bend wheel on the Juno has a very solid feel. The 101 pitch wheel is ok, but the spring back is slower. The advantage to the 101 wheel is the LFO mod when you push it up. IF you crank the LFO mod slider you can actually mod any of the parameters more than the editing sliders allow.

The arp is better on the juno as it can span 3 octaves where the 101 has no octave spans, but again the 101 can trig the arp faster. With the arp speed at 10 you can play NES style chords (its fast enough that they sort of blend together if you squint your ears)

Juno60 patch memory, 101 not....

I dont know man, you need to be more descriptive. I would sell the life size Donna Summers bust and buy both.
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Re: SH-101 vs. Juno 60/JSQ 60

Postby HideawayStudio » Sat May 09, 2009 1:39 pm

In my case it would have to be get both as 101 and the 60 are totally different beasts. The 101 is one of the finest monosynths around (despite it looking like a toy!) and capable of some really mad sound effects too. The 60 is a lovely warm polysynth capable of some really nice pads and strings...

If you absolutely have to only have one then it would be the SH-101 for me as it's such a unique beast with a very snappy hard edge to it. The Juno could be emulated by a lot more synths of the era. I suppose the final decision would be down to what kind of music you're into.....
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Re: SH-101 vs. Juno 60/JSQ 60

Postby Z » Sat May 09, 2009 3:12 pm

I have both Juno 60 (sans sequencer) and SH-101. Although I prefer my SH-2 over the 101, I'd get the 101 over the Juno. Jabberwalky provided many reasons where the 101 excels, but I love the 101's sequencer - it's hellafun! Program a pattern and use the key transpose! I just wish it would output the key transposition via CV like the 303.

The Juno is capable of some nice, thick pads, though. It all depends on your needs.
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Re: SH-101 vs. Juno 60/JSQ 60

Postby Sir Ruff » Sat May 09, 2009 3:47 pm

I think this argument is kind of moot (are we versus-ing monosynths against polysynths now? :roll: ), but if it were me, I'd get the juno. DCOs excepted, you are getting a 6-voice sh-101, with chorus and memories (and envelope PWM). And adding midi will actually cost less than the SH with the right midi>dcb converter. seems like an obvious choice.
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Re: SH-101 vs. Juno 60/JSQ 60

Postby joyfool » Mon May 11, 2009 4:43 pm

Thanks for all the replies. I have been leaning toward the SH, so I will probably go for that first, but I will most likely end up getting one of each (eventually) due to unquenchable GAS. Thanks again.
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Re: SH-101 vs. Juno 60/JSQ 60

Postby Solderman » Mon May 11, 2009 9:13 pm

Agreed on the slight puzzlement at comparing a monosynth to a polysynth. In terms of pure tone, the 101 tends to get more squelchy and/or plasticy as you increase resonance. The Juno just seems to get more nasal, albeit not so harsh.
The CEM3340 oscillator chip in the SH101 has a unused triangle wave that you can add to the mixer with a modification. This helps to make more resonant sounds fuller-sounding. There's also a simple 101 mod to give you VCA overdrive, which is great for distorted acid sounds. I'm not aware of any mods for the Juno.

The Juno has that great BBD chorus, but if you search for it, the Boss CE-300 will give you a chorus very similar to the one in the JX and Alpha-Juno synths, which is also similar to the earlier Junos and the Jupiter 4.
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Re: SH-101 vs. Juno 60/JSQ 60

Postby maindeglorie » Tue May 12, 2009 9:15 am

The 101 is cool.... BUT... you can do a lot better for a mono synth.

The Juno 60 is a flat out f**k blast. I know it seems so limited in the specifications, but you will be VERY surprised as to what you can do with those limitations. Nothing beats the Juno 6/60. They are absolutely the best of the Juno's.
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Re: SH-101 vs. Juno 60/JSQ 60

Postby iProg » Tue May 12, 2009 12:36 pm

maindeglorie wrote:The 101 is cool.... BUT... you can do a lot better for a mono synth.

The Juno 60 is a flat out f**k blast. I know it seems so limited in the specifications, but you will be VERY surprised as to what you can do with those limitations. Nothing beats the Juno 6/60. They are absolutely the best of the Juno's.


Amen.

the Juno is a very versatile polysynth. the arp is great. take it w/ the sequencer!
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Re: SH-101 vs. Juno 60/JSQ 60

Postby joyfool » Tue May 12, 2009 4:38 pm

Thanks again for the replies. It was not my intention to compare mon- and polysynths. I was primarily interested in opinions regarding the osc sounds (baseline), and performance of the instruments (live experiences, etc.).

As far as the 101 mod is concerned, I was wondering if a DCB mod was available for the 101 to use the JSQ's (much) larger sequencer note capacity.

Sorry for being unclear.
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Re: SH-101 vs. Juno 60/JSQ 60

Postby JJQ » Tue May 12, 2009 8:54 pm

I cant realy explain why but I prefer the basic sound of the Juno-60, the filter is astounding. And the memory buttons looks tasty. :D

And a bit more power in the low-end to my ears...
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Re: SH-101 vs. Juno 60/JSQ 60

Postby Solderman » Wed May 13, 2009 2:10 am

joyfool wrote:I was wondering if a DCB mod was available for the 101 to use the JSQ's (much) larger sequencer note capacity.

I looked around and there seems to only be units built for the other way around, CV->DCB, which is the Roland OP-8M.
Since DCB is a multi-buss protocol, it would be more than a mere "mod". Only thing I could think of is a Roland MD-8 DCB<->Midi converter into a standard Midi->CV converter, which obviously is too costly a solution. You'd be better off getting another sequencer that outputs CV/Gate. Agreed the 101 sequencer isn't all that great for improvisation, and certainly lacks mutable tracks or the like.

And just fyi, the Jupiter-8 has a CV/Gate output for highest note played. Assuming you A)Had a JP8, B)Had a Midi->DCB converter or the JSQ, and C)Made sure the master tune and scale tune were calibrated on a 101, you could also use that.
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