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MC-202 or Novation Bass Station

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:18 am
by DGBX
Just in terms of sound, not taking into account the onboard sequencer of the 202. I've heard that the 202 can be "plasticky". is this the case?

Re: MC-202 or Novation Bass Station

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:47 pm
by schmidtc
This is a 202 sounding similar to a 303:



I'd take one over a bass station any day, but both are cool.

Re: MC-202 or Novation Bass Station

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:52 pm
by jeeroj
schmidtc wrote:This is a 202 sounding similar to a 303:



I'd take one over a bass station any day, but both are cool.

is that definitley a 202 in that tune?

Re: MC-202 or Novation Bass Station

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 8:19 pm
by schmidtc
Yep. I remember reading an old interview with jeff mills or mad mike or someone and being really surprised when they said it was not in fact a 303, but a 202. Like most everyone else that loved that track, I had guessed wrong.

Re: MC-202 or Novation Bass Station

Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:54 pm
by magnus
Yeah the MC-202 does sound pretty plasticky, although it can sound alright with a bit of resonance. Don't expect the 202 to be a TB-303 emulator - whilst you may be able to get a broadly similar sound, there are things that a 303 will do that a 202 won't. For example, IIRC, the accent envelope behaves differently. I think Robin Whittle has made some relevant posts on the Analogue Heaven archive.

With all that said, maybe it's best to enjoy the 202 for what it is, but if you only care about the sound (not the sequencer) there are maybe better options.

PS The suboscillator on the the 202 REALLY sucks balls. I can't figure out why Roland deliberately made it so weak. Anyone else notice this, or am I just unlucky?

Re: MC-202 or Novation Bass Station

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:29 am
by Computer Controlled
Oh FFS, that is NOT a 202 in Seawolf. I see this all the time. Just like the "it's a 202 not a 303" in that Josh Wink track. It's a 303. The sawtooth sound gives it away. So do the accents. I would like to see this interview.

At any rate, the Bass Station can sound very similar to my 101, so i'm sure it can sound similar to the 202. Since the 101 and 202 are based off of the same engine. The B.S. is a great synth!

Re: MC-202 or Novation Bass Station

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:21 am
by analoglsd
I really like the MC-202 sound and the Bass Station sound.
I've been setting up a small portable live rig and was deciding between the Bass Station keyboard and the MC-202, and I went with the 202, I own them both.
The one aspect that really sets the two apart as far as active performance, is the fact that you can hear the digital "steps" when you are turning the knobs.
In this respect, I find the MC-202 more musical and organic.
I don't use the sequencer with the 202, and find it unintuitive.

Re: MC-202 or Novation Bass Station

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:16 am
by Computer Controlled
I've never once heard the Bass Station step. I've had two keyboards and two racks. h**l, even the A-Station i had didn't step. Except for the Filter Env knob.

Re: MC-202 or Novation Bass Station

Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:38 pm
by edfunction
I just had a visit from a Bass-station so now I can comment :)

It sounds really quite nice, not so different from a 101, but that 2nd oscillator lets you do a few other things.
the resonance seems pretty heavy handed, but that could be a positive depending on what you want.

I really like the 202 sequencer though. If it had memory it would be perfect! If you don't need/like the sequencer I'd go for the bass station.

Re: MC-202 or Novation Bass Station

Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 8:59 pm
by Solderman
I've had a Bass Station rack, and currently have a SH-101, essentially the same sound engine as the 202, excluding modulation and accent. Besides the second hard-syncable oscillator, the BSR also has two filter types. The 2 pole doesn't self oscillate and has a rather weak, nasal(plastic?) resonance, whereas the 4 pole is quite Moog-sounding, and has a subtle amount of pre-filter distortion at high resonance. The BSR's oscillators are DCO, and imo not very bright sounding. I used both of them for different purposes, and preferred the BSR for bass until I got a Pro~One, which I later replaced with a Moog Voyager. I guess it's true that the 101/202 thins out alot with increased resonance, but I feel it makes up for it with more squelch. When I modded my 101, I added the oscillator chip's triangle wave to the 101 mixer, and this helped fill out resonant sounds quite a bit.
Ultimately I thought the BSR was rather weak-sounding when not playing bass notes, and the envelopes weren't very dynamic like the 101's. The only real gimmick I liked with the BSR was tuning the self-oscillation close to one oscillator, to get this whacky squared sound.
Here is the demo I did of my BSR patches before I sold it: