Alesis Micron vs Doepfer Dark Energy (bass soundcheck)

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Alesis Micron vs Doepfer Dark Energy (bass soundcheck)

Post by vvd » Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:31 pm

I compared my Alesis Micron with the Doepfer Dark Energy.
I programmed my Micron to simulate the VCO and everything of the DE.

soundcheck:


You hear a sequence of 20 bars:
2 x (4 bars XXXXX + 4 bars YYYYY) + 4 bars both
where XXXXX is either the Micron or the DE and YYYYY is the other synth respectively.

note: there is a difference in tone color (of course) but it is partly due to my inability to get the pulsewidth the same on both.

now, guess which one is the Micron :)
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if you have a Micron or ION you could try to find the answer with the help of your synth, here is the patch:
osc1: pulse, shape -7, -1 oct, 66%
osc2: tri, shape 0%, -1 oct, 100%
osc3 etc: off
filter1: moog, 9.6 KHz, 0% res, +100% keytrack, 100% (eg, no filter2)
mix: 100% filter1, nothing else
no fx or drive, gate envelope, no mods
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Re: Alesis Micron vs Doepfer Dark Energy (bass soundcheck)

Post by VCOrhubarb » Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:54 pm

Y = DE2

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Re: Alesis Micron vs Doepfer Dark Energy (bass soundcheck)

Post by Dano » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:06 pm

I honestly can't tell! :o

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Re: Alesis Micron vs Doepfer Dark Energy (bass soundcheck)

Post by Yodhan » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:47 am

That demo further re-enforces my want for a Micron. Yeah, I know that the programming sucks because of the lack of knobs, but I love the sounds people get with it. Like I need another board...but I still want it.

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Re: Alesis Micron vs Doepfer Dark Energy (bass soundcheck)

Post by th0mas » Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:44 am

Dano wrote:I honestly can't tell! :o
Me neither. Tweak the filter cutoff then we'll talk :D

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Re: Alesis Micron vs Doepfer Dark Energy (bass soundcheck)

Post by RyanC » Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:17 am

Is the Micron in poly mode or are my ears trying to tell me something else?

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Re: Alesis Micron vs Doepfer Dark Energy (bass soundcheck)

Post by ensoniqphreak » Sun Feb 21, 2010 5:54 am

are the last four bars the Micron? pulse width sounds a bit wider there.... its REALLY hard to tell :blink:
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Re: Alesis Micron vs Doepfer Dark Energy (bass soundcheck)

Post by aeon » Wed Feb 24, 2010 5:11 am

I'm going to guess the Alesis Micron is the first synth heard, i.e., bars 1-4, then DE for 5-8 and so on as indicated in the OP.


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Re: Alesis Micron vs Doepfer Dark Energy (bass soundcheck)

Post by Primal Drive » Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:38 am

aeon wrote:I'm going to guess the Alesis Micron is the first synth heard, i.e., bars 1-4, then DE for 5-8 and so on as indicated in the OP.


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Re: Alesis Micron vs Doepfer Dark Energy (bass soundcheck)

Post by nvbrkr » Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:05 am

+0.78

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Re: Alesis Micron vs Doepfer Dark Energy (bass soundcheck)

Post by Primal Drive » Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:25 am

- 1.42
And then she said, "What the f...?"

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Re: Alesis Micron vs Doepfer Dark Energy (bass soundcheck)

Post by Stab Frenzy » Fri Feb 26, 2010 3:24 pm

Well the smart money would be to agree with what Aeon says (:)) and I do, but I'll explain why I came to my decision as well.

The first synth (1-4) sounds a lot more regular from note to note, and consequently doesn't come across as sounding as wide. The second seems to have a bit more phasing going on and so sounds wider and almost stereo-like. The filter tracking seems to be a bit sloppier as well, like it's overshooting a little which I'd put down to an analogue envelope.

I think you could get the Micron to sound more like the DE by using the modulation, put a very small amount of LFO on an osc and modulate that lfo with another one, and modulate the depth with one of the mod sliders. (I think you can do that, been a while since I played with my bandmate's Micron.) I'd also run the filters in series and have the other one set as the resonant HPF with the cutoff set really low so you don't notice it cutting anything (80Hz or so maybe? Does it do that low?) and then wind up the resonance to get the bottom end a bit bigger, but not too much. You'd be better off doing this with some decent monitors to hear exactly what you're doing, it could be easy to make a mess of it.

Anyway, try those out and see if you can get closer. :thumbleft:

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Re: Alesis Micron vs Doepfer Dark Energy (bass soundcheck)

Post by Primal Drive » Sun Feb 28, 2010 1:14 am

Stab Frenzy wrote:Well the smart money would be to agree with what Aeon says (:)) and I do, but I'll explain why I came to my decision as well.

The first synth (1-4) sounds a lot more regular from note to note, and consequently doesn't come across as sounding as wide. The second seems to have a bit more phasing going on and so sounds wider and almost stereo-like. The filter tracking seems to be a bit sloppier as well, like it's overshooting a little which I'd put down to an analogue envelope.

I think you could get the Micron to sound more like the DE by using the modulation, put a very small amount of LFO on an osc and modulate that lfo with another one, and modulate the depth with one of the mod sliders. (I think you can do that, been a while since I played with my bandmate's Micron.) I'd also run the filters in series and have the other one set as the resonant HPF with the cutoff set really low so you don't notice it cutting anything (80Hz or so maybe? Does it do that low?) and then wind up the resonance to get the bottom end a bit bigger, but not too much. You'd be better off doing this with some decent monitors to hear exactly what you're doing, it could be easy to make a mess of it.

Anyway, try those out and see if you can get closer. :thumbleft:
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Re: Alesis Micron vs Doepfer Dark Energy (bass soundcheck)

Post by th0mas » Sun Feb 28, 2010 1:46 am

Stab Frenzy wrote: I think you could get the Micron to sound more like the DE by using the modulation, put a very small amount of LFO on an osc and modulate that lfo with another one, and modulate the depth with one of the mod sliders. (I think you can do that, been a while since I played with my bandmate's Micron.)
I'm not sure precisely what is the formula to it's modulation, but I believe the Micron has a "analog" parameter for each patch that basically is a really slow LFO modulating pitch. I may be wrong though, I sold my micron years ago.

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Re: Alesis Micron vs Doepfer Dark Energy (bass soundcheck)

Post by Sir Nose » Mon Mar 01, 2010 2:51 pm

I like them together the best. A little different and layered :smile:
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