Yamaha CS-10 vs Roland SH-09

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Yamaha CS-10 vs Roland SH-09

Post by Goneadrift » Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:49 pm

I hear the SH-09 is preferable for bass, while the CS-10 has more of a funky sound and is good for leads. Which one is more versatile for creating weird sounds.

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Re: Yamaha CS-10 vs Roland SH-09

Post by nathanscribe » Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:18 am

Both are good for 'weird sounds' but it depends what kind of weird you're after. The CS is more flexible regarding filter types. They each have their own overall vibe... a matter of choice really. I get a lot of mileage from my CS monos for mad noises, but the SH09 works well as a regular monosynth in ways the CS feels less comfortable.

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Re: Yamaha CS-10 vs Roland SH-09

Post by TheKeytarist » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:53 pm

Here are the links to some demo videos of both.





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Re: Yamaha CS-10 vs Roland SH-09

Post by Nannerfan » Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:01 am

The LFO's on the CS-10 makes it MUCH weirder IMO. FM'ish
and it's got 2 ENV's .. hence the funkiness.

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Re: Yamaha CS-10 vs Roland SH-09

Post by THEODICY » Mon Feb 21, 2011 7:02 am

If only the LFO tracked to the keyboard!!!! (on the CS-10) But, to the original poster, I think the CS-10 is a solid choice for bass. One of my favs for simple punchy bass lines actually. Sh-09 would be cool too. It's hard to make a wrong choice here.

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Re: Yamaha CS-10 vs Roland SH-09

Post by madtheory » Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:07 pm

THEODICY wrote:If only the LFO tracked to the keyboard!!!!
I think someone says that on VSE at least once a week. Let's get the schematic out and see what can be done. I was told by analogue solutions that it was possible, but I could never get their mod for the CS-5 to work.

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Re: Yamaha CS-10 vs Roland SH-09

Post by THEODICY » Mon Feb 21, 2011 6:54 pm

That would be sweet but I'm not versed in understanding schematics on that level. I'd love for a guide to be posted by someone who figured it out! :)

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Re: Yamaha CS-10 vs Roland SH-09

Post by Solderman » Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:45 pm

It would probably be loads easier to add a switched CV input that overrides the modulation bus. Then you can provide your own key-tracked oscillator. Maybe keep the trace that goes to pulsewidth modulation and have an alternate auxiliary route for pitch/filter/amp.

Seems to me with these two choices, a big factor is the filter. Self-oscillating lowpass or state variable multi-mode? Be interesting to try the feedback trick on the Roland. The Yamaha gets really aggressive when you do that.
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Re: Yamaha CS-10 vs Roland SH-09

Post by madtheory » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:31 pm

Solderman wrote:It would probably be loads easier to add a switched CV input that overrides the modulation bus.
If Kenton made the LFO in the Pro Solo track pitch, that would do it. You could send it to pitch and/ or filter if you have the filter CV mod (very easy on the CS series).

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Re: Yamaha CS-10 vs Roland SH-09

Post by Goneadrift » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:05 pm

I think I'm going to go for the CS-10 since it seems to be a little more versatile, it's just a matter of finding one here in the US. I almost want to spend the extra doe for a SH-101, but then I'd want to spend the extra doe for a Pro-one and it's a slippery slope. For under $600 I don't think I'll find anything more suitable for the style of music I want to make (minimal synth/psych)

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Re: Yamaha CS-10 vs Roland SH-09

Post by THEODICY » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:32 pm

Check out the modeless factory website. They usually have them available. You can also ask Ko to do modifications like the one mentioned above. If anyone can do it, Ko can.

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Re: Yamaha CS-10 vs Roland SH-09

Post by nathanscribe » Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:05 am

THEODICY wrote:Ko can.
I beg your pardon?





Sorry, extremely obscure chart hit joke.
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Re: Yamaha CS-10 vs Roland SH-09

Post by nathanscribe » Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:06 am

Goneadrift wrote:I almost want to spend the extra doe for a SH-101, but then I'd want to spend the extra doe for a Pro-one and it's a slippery slope.
It's true. Spending extra doe you notice how deer they are.







Sorry. Have fun with it, the CS are great synths.

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Re: Yamaha CS-10 vs Roland SH-09

Post by THEODICY » Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:13 am

nathanscribe wrote:
THEODICY wrote:Ko can.
I beg your pardon?





Sorry, extremely obscure chart hit joke.
Wow... That just happened :shock:


:D

I dunno man, I like my CS-10 and all very much but I think it's pretty "polite." I think the fact that the SH-09 have an envelope follower makes it a lot more useable, especially with the feedback loop trick. I'd probably trade my CS-10 for one to be completely honest.

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Re: Yamaha CS-10 vs Roland SH-09

Post by nathanscribe » Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:04 pm

Horses for courses and a matter of taste I think. I use my SH a lot less than either of my CS. In amongst a bunch of 24dB low pass filters, I like the sound of the BP/HP cutting through. The only way to really know what's going to suit more is to try them, as with many things.

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