Korg Kronos vs Jupiter 80 (Roland)

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Korg Kronos vs Jupiter 80 (Roland)

Post by Phollop Willing PA » Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:59 pm

Both are new and both have just come out. This thread was inevitable.

I tried the Jupiter and it excels in normal acoustic instrument emulation - however, I really like the demos I heard and saw of the Kronos.

I already have a Korg M3, so a Kronos won't probably be coming my way soon, maybe later, and even though I have developed a respect for what Roland did with the Jupiter, I'll probably get a Kronos in a couple of years if I need to replace the M3.

If I had a career scoring films and tv, I would get the Jupiter 80 just for work.

I wish there was a poll option.
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Re: Korg Kronos vs Jupiter 80 (Roland)

Post by Ashe37 » Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:07 am

ok...

Jupiter 80:
Brass emulation
strings (plucked/bowed) emulation
piano emulation
EP emulation
organ emulation
analog synth emulation (3-osc, and yes I know the ads don't mention it)
percussion emulation (percussion is labeled at "manual" and "Drums & FX")
4x 'parts' each made of 4x 'tones' (actually looking at the manual, the "Lead" part is 1x tone )
arpeggiator, programmable by importing MIDI files
"Harmony Intelligence"

Kronos:
Giga-sampled grand pianos (a 'german' and a 'japanese'- Steinway and Yamaha?)
plucked string emulation
analog synth emulation
FM synth emulation
MS-20 emulation
Polysix emulation
sample playback
KARMA (instead of arp or harmony intelligence thing)
16x parts
sequencer (it is a workstation after all)

That's a quick summary of the two.

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Re: Korg Kronos vs Jupiter 80 (Roland)

Post by gordwiebe » Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:33 pm

Neither of them are my thing... but, they are both fully capable, top of line, modern boards for acoustic emulation and some other things (kronos wins for workstation features and the varied synthesis types).
They sound great and are a gigging/studio musicians dream I would guess.

The one thing that struck me about the two is that the kronos has a really poor build quality - shockingly bad imo for the price they are demanding. It really didn't feel like a $3000+ product to me (neither did the j80 - but it was definitely better).

And, both of them have interfaces that are lacking - in usability and inspiration.

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Re: Korg Kronos vs Jupiter 80 (Roland)

Post by Ashe37 » Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:17 am

I didn't see any build quality problems in the Kronos i messed with, it felt typical for a modern workstation keyboard.

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Re: Korg Kronos vs Jupiter 80 (Roland)

Post by Phollop Willing PA » Mon Sep 12, 2011 12:38 pm

Ashe37 wrote:ok...

Jupiter 80:
Brass emulation
strings (plucked/bowed) emulation
piano emulation
EP emulation
organ emulation
analog synth emulation (3-osc, and yes I know the ads don't mention it)
percussion emulation (percussion is labeled at "manual" and "Drums & FX")
4x 'parts' each made of 4x 'tones' (actually looking at the manual, the "Lead" part is 1x tone )
arpeggiator, programmable by importing MIDI files
"Harmony Intelligence"

Kronos:
Giga-sampled grand pianos (a 'german' and a 'japanese'- Steinway and Yamaha?)
plucked string emulation
analog synth emulation
FM synth emulation
MS-20 emulation
Polysix emulation
sample playback
KARMA (instead of arp or harmony intelligence thing)
16x parts
sequencer (it is a workstation after all)

That's a quick summary of the two.
This is nice and concise.

What is harmony intelligence? Is it KARMA under a different name or is it something like a dual arpeggiator or something different, almost beyond comprehension?
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Re: Korg Kronos vs Jupiter 80 (Roland)

Post by Ashe37 » Mon Sep 12, 2011 2:21 pm

Phollop Willing PA wrote:
This is nice and concise.

What is harmony intelligence? Is it KARMA under a different name or is it something like a dual arpeggiator or something different, almost beyond comprehension?
From the manual:

"The Harmony Intelligence function adds appropriate harmony to the highest notes of the Upper Part, based on the chords you play in the Lower Part."

17 harmony types... like "Organ" "Strings" "Block" Hymn" etc.

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Re: Korg Kronos vs Jupiter 80 (Roland)

Post by spookyman » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:00 pm

A function that was already available in the 90's on the Roland E Series (Keyboard arranger). Cool, but...sounds very "typical" - like these automatic arranger functions.
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Re: Korg Kronos vs Jupiter 80 (Roland)

Post by b3groover » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:18 pm

The Kronos also has the CX-3 organ engine as well.

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Re: Korg Kronos vs Jupiter 80 (Roland)

Post by Ashe37 » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:24 pm

yeah, it does...

I wish the Kronos' string model included bowed.

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Re: Korg Kronos vs Jupiter 80 (Roland)

Post by madrasputin » Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:06 pm

I like the Kronos in this versus thread. It's got a lot of cool stuff as previously mentioned going on under the hood and all the samples, virtual patching and plug ins on board all run by an SSD make it a monster of a workstation synth if that's your bag. I really don't see the Jupiter 80 as a workstation synth but more of a live synth with a whole lotta power under the hood. No sequencer on the Jupiter is kinda disappointing to me though. So yeah, Kronos wins out this one in my mind.
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Re: Korg Kronos vs Jupiter 80 (Roland)

Post by Phollop Willing PA » Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:16 pm

Ashe37 wrote:yeah, it does...

I wish the Kronos' string model included bowed.
Doesn't the Kronos have a sample ability like an M3 ?

EDIT: It does.

"[Sampling]
System:
Open Sampling System (resampling, In-Track sampling)
Bit Depth/Sampling Frequency:
16-bit/48 kHz stereo/mono sampling
Sample Locations:
4,000 samples/1,000 multisamples (128 indexes per multisample)
Ripping:
Direct sampling (ripping) from audio CD (CD-DA)
Formats:
Korg format, AKAI S1000/S3000 data (with advanced Program parameter conversion); SoundFont 2.0, AIFF, and WAVE formats
Editing:
Time Stretch, Time Slice, Crossfade Loop, and other standard editing features."

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Re: Korg Kronos vs Jupiter 80 (Roland)

Post by Ashe37 » Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:50 am

yeah i guess i should have detailed he sampling engine a little more...

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Re: Korg Kronos vs Jupiter 80 (Roland)

Post by visceralvoids » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:06 am

Jupiter-80 is very nice for performance, boasts the SuperNatural sample/modeling technology. You can combine wave sounds with VA sounds etc. Though it has no sampling or sequencer. V-Synth GT has me very intrigued.

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Re: Korg Kronos vs Jupiter 80 (Roland)

Post by Ashe37 » Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:05 am

'wave sounds'?

The Jupiter 80 is most all DSP emulation.

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Re: Korg Kronos vs Jupiter 80 (Roland)

Post by visceralvoids » Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:46 pm

Ashe37 wrote:'wave sounds'? The Jupiter 80 is most all DSP emulation.
Yeah I meant "real" sounds, I don't know why I said wave. Though it has PCMs inside it along with the DSP emulation its a next generation sample based tech like what Roland uses on the V-Piano. Jupe-80 is also supposed to have D-50 and JD-800 based modeled PCMs in it as well so looks like they didn't just PCM model realistic instruments. It's radically different from the Kronos.

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