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Roland SH-2 vs. Moog Little Phatty

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:22 pm
by chimney chop
have an opportunity to buy either of these for about the same price.

which would you suggest?


looking for a synth that can do both bass and leads well.

this would be my sole monosynth so which one covers the most ground?


this is what i've gathered so far:


Sh-2:


pro's......immediacy of functions (dedicated knobs and sliders), external input processing of other synths through its filter, i've been impressed by many youtube demos

cons..........no midi, have to use a voltage converter, the nature of vintage synth that makes them prone to malfunctions

Phatty:

pros.....memory, midi

cons....no noise generator, lack of dedicated controls, heard on this forum that it needs to warm up for about an hour to really get it firing on all cylinders, haven't been very impressed by the youtube demos i've heard


anything else to add?.....

Re: Roland SH-2 vs. Moog Little Phatty

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:29 pm
by Barely
chimney chop wrote: Phatty:

pros.....memory, midi

cons....no noise generator, lack of dedicated controls, heard on this forum that it needs to warm up for about an hour to really get it firing on all cylinders, haven't been very impressed by the youtube demos i've heard
Well, no - it doesn't take an hour to work. But like most analogues, it need some warming until the tuning is really stable. The same goes for the SH-2.
The Phatty controls are really hands-on.
Another thing on the moog's pro side is: if it breaks, someone can repair it. That's not necessarily true for the SH-2.
Do you know a good synthesizer technician somewhere in your driving range? That might be important when buying vintage gear. For the Roland, there is a service locator on their site, see if someone is close and ask them if they could repair a SH-2.
BUT In the end it's your personal taste that should guide you. Me, I'd take both if the SH-2 is in good condition ;)
I have a little phatty, and absoulutely love it for its sound, beauty and hands-on controls, but if I had a SH-2, I'd probably say the same:)

Ah, before I forget: check these Phatty demos:
http://www.trippler.net/music/Moog_Litt ... hatty.html

Re: Roland SH-2 vs. Moog Little Phatty

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:59 pm
by chimney chop
cool, thanks for the input!

how do you like the Phatty for lead tones?

Re: Roland SH-2 vs. Moog Little Phatty

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:11 pm
by chimney chop
this is the video that attracted me to the SH-2.

Re: Roland SH-2 vs. Moog Little Phatty

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:21 pm
by dustinh
Based purely upon sound, I'd take the SH-2 any day.

Re: Roland SH-2 vs. Moog Little Phatty

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:42 am
by Rick N Boogie
I no nothing of the Roland, but own a Phatty. No noise generator, true, but it has an awesome feedback loop, and can also process other instruments through it's filter. It's got all it's functions on the front panel, but true, each "knob" has several functions. BUT, so logically laid out, it's simple to use. Being able to store your patches to a preset is a huge plus, as well. Based on video demo's of the Roland, I wouldn't trade my Phatty for one.

Re: Roland SH-2 vs. Moog Little Phatty

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:42 am
by Z
Without knowing what other synths you already have, it's hard to make an educated decision.

The SH-2 was my first monosynth (bought mine over 20 years ago) and one of my favorites.

But if I was just starting out and had no synths at all, I would probably opt for the Phatty for best-bang-for-buck. Though you might also consider a MFB Kraftzwerg or Tom Oberheim SEM as well.

Re: Roland SH-2 vs. Moog Little Phatty

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:56 am
by skizzle
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i think lp stage i is the only phatty without noise.

Re: Roland SH-2 vs. Moog Little Phatty

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:43 pm
by Barely
skizzle wrote: i think lp stage i is the only phatty without noise.
Well that's not entirely true. The early Tribute Edition without hardware upgrade (like mine) can't have noise as a mod source.
All other phattys, and hardware upgraded Tributes can load a newer OS. However, they don't have a dedicated noise genrator. It's only a modulation source waveform like saw and sample and hold, so you can add a little more dirt. Real noise generators are limited to the Voyagers.

Re: Roland SH-2 vs. Moog Little Phatty

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:56 pm
by Barely
chimney chop wrote:this is the video that attracted me to the SH-2.
Ah, the japanese guy we all love but don't understand :)
This guy is so good, he can make a 20$ casio home keyboard sound like a moog modular ;)
To answer your other question: I very much love the phatty sound for both bass and solo sounds. But that's entirely a matter of taste. Basically, and very simplified, the moog sounds a little warmer and mellow, whereas the SH-2 sounds a little more open and sharp. But both synths can get to the other extremes, it's just a little bit a hint on where they feel at home.
One trick that the guy in the video does with solos that the phatty can't, is to detune only one oscillator with the pitch bender. However,on the LP you can adjust OSC2 frequency with one of the big knobs, provided you have a free hand :)
Still, If I were you I couldn't decide. Oh, and you might want a small FX board to add to both of them (stereo delay, chorus, flanger etc.) to get results like in the videos.
Wait. There's one more thing:
One day, the SH-2 will not be available anymore, and if so, only at horrendous prices. The LP will continue to be produced for some years. So I bet it's safe to say you can always buy a LP 5 years from now ;)
Sorry, I guess I don't make it easier for you :D

Re: Roland SH-2 vs. Moog Little Phatty

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:16 pm
by Rick N Boogie
Yes, a small pedalboard with some delay and modulators is a must. Adds so much color and motion. But, that would be true of either synth you're contemplating.

Re: Roland SH-2 vs. Moog Little Phatty

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:30 pm
by themilford
Barely wrote: Another thing on the moog's pro side is: if it breaks, someone can repair it. That's not necessarily true for the SH-2.
This is sorta misleading... the advantage is that the Phatty will be a repair you can have Moog or an authorized service center make. I assume it's used and therefor out of warranty... That being said the Roland is probably easier to work or (i.e.: no CPU, MIDI, etc). a low-level tech like myself can probably service a SH-02. I've also had no problem sourcing parts for these older synths... whereas is the Phatty breaks a local tech might not have access to parts directly from Moog. Then it becomes and issue of shipping the thing somewhere.

I wouldn't worry about repair comparison... they both have their issues (or lack thereof).

Z makes a good point... Also, do you need this to interface with current gear?

Re: Roland SH-2 vs. Moog Little Phatty

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:56 pm
by Phenom
Have owned an SH2 for about 10 years, have only played with an LP, and never had them side by side...

The SH2 is a very simple synth, too simple to compare like for like to an LP in my opinion, it's well bulit, sounds brilliant and is the best bass synth I've ever owned. I really wanted to connect with the LP, and I keep on trying with it. Initially I thought they had done ok with the interface, and it was reasonably quick to use, but the more I played the more I disliked it. if live tweaking is your thing, then it will not satisfy the way an SH2 can. I also felt the sound was not up to the SH2, and didn't have its bass or it's body. As I said, I have very limited experience of the LP, but my opinion of of it hasn't changed with any recent play.

Re: Roland SH-2 vs. Moog Little Phatty

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:24 pm
by chimney chop
thanks fellas.

i opted for the SH-2.

it's in the mail.

just seemed like a better fit for.

plus, i've wanted one for a long time so atleast it'll take care of the itch if nothing else