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roland sh-32 or jp-8080

Post by adekoyote » Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:27 am

Which one of these is more worthy of my hard earned xmas bonus? playability, ease of use, sound quality etc.

I am asking because the youtube videos for both synths sound the same to me.

I am into analog, not really trancey sounds, though...is there better examples of what the jp series is really capable of?

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Re: roland sh-32 or jp-8080

Post by meatballfulton » Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:38 pm

From a former SH32 owner: JP8080 by a wide margin.

The SH32 is a hybrid machine, waveforms are actually samples which is how it gains the higher polyphony count. There are a number of weird limitations in the feature set, for instance osc sync disables the filter and reduces the voice count of 1....making it totally useless.

SH32 is currently way overpriced. When they were selling close to $100 they were a good value (what other VA can you get for $100) but at current $3-400 prices you can do a lot better for your money.
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Re: roland sh-32 or jp-8080

Post by Phollop Willing PA » Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:49 pm

JP 8080 !

I have a JP 8000 and it's a keeper.
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Re: roland sh-32 or jp-8080

Post by cgren72 » Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:42 pm

defenately jp 8080. the 8000 (8080) is still one of the best analog modeling synths, and the sh 32 seems to just be part of the 90s/early 2000s "groovebox" scene

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Re: roland sh-32 or jp-8080

Post by visceralvoids » Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:53 pm

meatballfulton wrote:The SH32 is a hybrid machine, waveforms are actually samples which is how it gains the higher polyphony count. There are a number of weird limitations in the feature set, for instance osc sync disables the filter and reduces the voice count of 1....making it totally useless.
:lol: sometimes Roland makes me wonder what they were thinking.

The JPs used DSP chips that modeled the behavior of oscillators (free-running etc) and it was a one-time Roland engine. So far they are the only Roland VAs to do that, everything since the JP-8080 has been based on sampled waveforms, quite a different sound.

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Re: roland sh-32 or jp-8080

Post by Phenom » Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:38 pm

another vote for JP8080. It's not that the SH32 sounds bad, it sounds decent actually, it's just it's one of those crippled compromised designs, even edging into groovebox territory at times. The UI is baffling, full of cryptic unnecessary nonsense that could all be solved with a cheap LCD, who wants to fight with that. The JP8080 has a less compromised design, is a pure synth, is better built (the JP8080 is very well bulit considering the plastic of the JP8000), is very much a pro item, and is simple to operate as any VA there's ever been.

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Re: roland sh-32 or jp-8080

Post by _seph » Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:44 pm

A brand new JP-8000 was my first synth which I later replaced with a Jupiter 6 and Juno 60. Both are now long gone and not at all missed and I've been the happy owner of a JP-8080 since.

As for the SH-32, they were a great value when they were around $100 but almost anything is when it is that price. If the pricing factor is removed and you consider it on its own merit then it's an alright synth. It has greater polyphony and a drum section that you won't find on the JP, but it is also a different type of synth and definitely doesn't have the inviting interface of the JP or the synthesis potential. and seeing that you have a MC808 and RS7000, I don't think the more groove oriented features of the SH-32 would really offer you anything new.

For my own taste the SH-32 isn't a synth I've ever been interested in and depending on what they're going for these days, I imagine that you could probably find many alternatives that would be more useful. Whereas the JP-8080 is a keeper.

and as you're concerned about the JP's association with Trance, it is one of my favorite synths and I despise that style. It isn't a synth that is geared towards any specific genre and it has the kind of versatility that you'd find in any another classic synth. Its Realtime Phrase Sequencing and parameter automation definitely lends itself towards more rhythmic clubby music but those features are equally useful for more textural work.

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Re: roland sh-32 or jp-8080

Post by adekoyote » Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:10 pm

thank you gor clearing this up! JP8080 wins hands down...curiously....did the sh-32 have "any" advantages? :geek:

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Re: roland sh-32 or jp-8080

Post by meatballfulton » Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:51 pm

adekoyote wrote:did the sh-32 have "any" advantages? :geek:
When Roland discontinued it, the SH32 was available at dealers for $100 brand new. That's when most of them got sold ;)

Now used ones are going for over $300 which I think is ridiculous.

OK, it had a few advantages over the JP-8000: 4 part multitimbral, 16/32 voice operation, sampled drums that could be played using the arpeggiator and even at the original price ($500?) it was always cheaper.
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Re: roland sh-32 or jp-8080

Post by gordwiebe » Thu Dec 01, 2011 2:12 am

8080/8000!

I really wanted to like the sh32 - i think it it looks great... but, that's about it.
The interface is really cramped and somewhat baffling/non-intuitive - as is the synth engine itself (certain things disable other things etc...).
The sound was ok - but, wasn't interesting enough for me to bother digging deeper into it.
And the filter clips/bottoms out like crazy - roland tends to have this problem with their digital filters - the signal is too hot/high?

I've got the jp8000 right now - the sound is a little weak and limited (a little external FX/processing can help this) - but, the interface is great for having fun and designing/sculpting sounds.

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Re: roland sh-32 or jp-8080

Post by visceralvoids » Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:38 am

gordwiebe wrote:I've got the jp8000 right now - the sound is a little weak and limited (a little external FX/processing can help this) - but, the interface is great for having fun and designing/sculpting sounds.
Have to agree that JP-8000 is a little limited. Easiest for programming I have used for so far, way easier than the JD-800. I wish it had the LFO routing + destinations and certain features like GAIA's 3 oscillators of modern Roland virtual analogs. I think of it as a DSP version of Jupiter/JX/Juno/MKS. Great dance keyboard no doubt

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Re: roland sh-32 or jp-8080

Post by somebedroomdj » Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:09 am

I'm no expert, but I love my JP-8000 to bits and I can only imagine that the 8080 would be even greater with the 10 voices instead of 8 plus the vocoder, smartmedia compatibility and extra patches. The SH-32, I've always been curious about it but then again, I have a strange, guilty obsession with grooveboxes. I intend to buy one eventually, but only if I find a great deal on it. In short, I love my JP and would wholeheartedly recommend it and, by extension, the 8080. For whatever that's worth. :P
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Re: roland sh-32 or jp-8080

Post by Zamise » Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:21 am

If you use your RS7000's sounds a lot, I'd recommend an AN1X or maybe an MS2000, or even an XStation over the JP80x0 to go with it.
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Re: roland sh-32 or jp-8080

Post by adekoyote » Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:52 pm

The rs7000 has a good deal of bread and butter techno sounds....but the truth is that you juice the synthesis engine via layering the PCM samples...and they are fat...and I am happy...especially with the hardware sample tools...but the JP8080 is something to work up basses/sub basses/pads and lead sounds.

I am hoping to achieve motion controlled "didgeridoo" patches with it.

I love the way the yamaha encourages you to work with the sequencer...but I really really want a go to unit for analog feeling sounds...so when I sit down and focus, that is all I am doing.

I have decided that the JP8080 will be the optimal unit for this. If I need more I can then take the audio from that into the MC808 or the RS7000, or to Ableton.

I love the design and all the controls. It will look nice in my home and sound better to my ears. :ugeek:

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Re: roland sh-32 or jp-8080

Post by Zamise » Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:14 am

JP8080, at least the one I had I felt that it was the least analogish sounding VA I've ever tried, if thats what one can call it. Analogish enough? It just sounded like it was PCM based, which it is not since its a VA, so odd thinking that a VA was too similar sounding to my AWM2 based Yamaha stuff to have kept it. That is why I recommend almost any other VA other than it, for variety, if you've got a lot of that kind of sound going already in your setup. To each their own taste though, maybe you'll try out some of the other cheaper performance VAs out there sometime and think the same thing, or not. I will agree it is a very sexy looking synth, the main reason I was drawn to getting one in the first place. And yeah if you get to know the RS7000's engine well enough and not just its awesome sequencer, then screw all other synths ;)
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