Minibrute vs. MS-10/20 (square waves/filters)

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Minibrute vs. MS-10/20 (square waves/filters)

Post by Sir Ruff » Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:53 am

Need more MB vs. threads!

No, seriously, i was wondering if anyone with both a MB and MS-10/20 can compare their square waves and low-pass filters... The MB square wave strikes me as having the same extremely woody quality that my MS-10 did, but it's been a while since I had the latter so I can't compare myself... The filters are also pretty "scream-y" and raspy, also in that MS-10 way. Am I just imagining this or do they sound similar?
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Re: Minibrute vs. MS-10/20 (square waves/filters)

Post by pflosi » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:28 pm

Don't have an MB, but I could post MS10 / MS20 (MK2 VCF) examples if we decide on some settings...

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Re: Minibrute vs. MS-10/20 (square waves/filters)

Post by Sir Ruff » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:41 pm

pflosi wrote:Don't have an MB, but I could post MS10 / MS20 (MK2 VCF) examples if we decide on some settings...
Sure! I don't think we need exact setting per se, but you could just try out a variety of filter settings, with varying degrees of resonance, using a set relatively short attack and decay on the envelope. Maybe vary the square wave pulsewidth a bit too. The sub-oscillator square on the MB is a bit different from the main oscillator.
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Re: Minibrute vs. MS-10/20 (square waves/filters)

Post by pflosi » Sun Oct 21, 2012 9:43 am

Will record and post something asap! Probably this evening...

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Re: Minibrute vs. MS-10/20 (square waves/filters)

Post by Kenneth » Sun Oct 21, 2012 7:16 pm

I agree that we need mor MB versus threads. Seeing as very few of us are lucky enough to own one, let alone even try one, it seems the majority of us are left to hound the MB owners to post videos, recordings, and reviews so we can guage whether we want one or not. As for me, I've already decided I want one, but still like hearing from those who own them already.
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Re: Minibrute vs. MS-10/20 (square waves/filters)

Post by pflosi » Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:36 pm

Well here's an MS10 demo to start with:



Recorded directly into Ableton with Motu Ultralite, no processing or fx

My MS10 is a little bit noisy as you might notice...

Tuned it down one octave, all notes except in the end are C

- All octaves, PW at 0, no EG (time parameters on 0, sustain 10), VCF open
- All octaves, PW at 5, no EG, VCF open
- All octaves, PW at 7.8 (just before it cancels the phase), no EG, VFC open
- All octaves, PW sweep, no EG, VCF open
- Filter sweeps, PW at 0, Reso at 0, 5, 8 and 10, all octaves, no EG
- Filter sweeps, PW at 5, Reso at 0, 5, 8 and 10, all octaves, no EG
- Filter sweeps, PW at 7.8, Reso at 0, 5, 8 and 10, all octaves, no EG
- LFO to trigger, messing around with keys, VCF (freq and EG intensity), PW, decay, resonance

That was enough pulsesweeps for today, if you insist I can also post an MS20 demo sometime, but it might take a little while as I'm bit busy these days...

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Re: Minibrute vs. MS-10/20 (square waves/filters)

Post by Sir Ruff » Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:40 am

Thanks for posting!

They actually do really sound similar, especially if you turn the "brute factor" up a bit on the MB. I was following your sweeps with the MB, and finding they both have that kind of gnarly, phasey filter sound. The brute factor distorts the filter in a similar fashion when it's self-oscillating. Square wave on the MS is grittier and funkier all round, but that's to be expected.
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Re: Minibrute vs. MS-10/20 (square waves/filters)

Post by pflosi » Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:05 pm

Sounds or it didn't happen! ;)

Seriously though, you're welcome - was fun doing it.

Does the MB also phase out the whole wave at one point like the MS do?

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Re: Minibrute vs. MS-10/20 (square waves/filters)

Post by Sir Ruff » Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:18 pm

pflosi wrote:Sounds or it didn't happen! ;)

Seriously though, you're welcome - was fun doing it.

Does the MB also phase out the whole wave at one point like the MS do?
your're right--I will try and get some sounds together myself. The square wave doesn't cancel out at min. pulse width, but that's not something I miss.
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Re: Minibrute vs. MS-10/20 (square waves/filters)

Post by pflosi » Wed Oct 31, 2012 8:49 am

The MS cancel out at max PW, can be fun with tempo-synced modulations :thumbleft:

MS20 doesn't have a PWM input though :(

Yeah some sounds to compare would be cool!

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