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Ensoniq SQ-80 vs Korg DW-8000 ?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:12 am
by laserboy
im intersted in one of these..
which one u would say is better?

Re: Ensoniq SQ-80 vs Korg DW-8000 ?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:24 am
by themilford
I'm interested as well.

I keep thinking "poor mans PPG WAVE"... do either fit the bill better?

Re: Ensoniq SQ-80 vs Korg DW-8000 ?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:33 am
by themilford
Also, FWIW, the Ensoniqs seems to go for cheaper.

Re: Ensoniq SQ-80 vs Korg DW-8000 ?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:39 am
by themilford
Some good insight here:
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=69546

Re: Ensoniq SQ-80 vs Korg DW-8000 ?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:35 am
by laserboy
themilford wrote:Also, FWIW, the Ensoniqs seems to go for cheaper.


no the Dw 8000 goes for cheaper here..
usual price DW 350-400€ , SQ 600€

Re: Ensoniq SQ-80 vs Korg DW-8000 ?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:12 am
by themilford
laserboy wrote:
themilford wrote:Also, FWIW, the Ensoniqs seems to go for cheaper.


no the Dw 8000 goes for cheaper here..
usual price DW 350-400€ , SQ 600€


Maybe, I was basing it on completed US eBay auctions/sales.

Ok, sorry... I just double checked.
DW8000 are selling for between $200 and $460 and the last eight SQ-80s went for $300-$500... most with cases.

Re: Ensoniq SQ-80 vs Korg DW-8000 ?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:55 am
by Walter Ego
In the states, you can find Ensoniqs for cheaper. Use craigslist, though, they're heavy as all get-out, and they'll be much cheaper on CL. If you want to go really cheap, buy an ESQ-1, which is exactly the same as an SQ-80, but no disk drive and less patch storage. Easy find for $100-150 on CL in the states. Maybe not in other countries, though, as I think Ensoniq is a US-based company.

Re: Ensoniq SQ-80 vs Korg DW-8000 ?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:15 am
by laserboy
is craigslist trustful? and which area should i check there? im not familar with the website

and ist the ESQ -1 really the same except Disk and patch save?
in that Case i would think about to get a Esq1

Re: Ensoniq SQ-80 vs Korg DW-8000 ?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:26 am
by Big Gnome
Walter Ego wrote:If you want to go really cheap, buy an ESQ-1, which is exactly the same as an SQ-80, but no disk drive and less patch storage.

Not quite--the SQ-80 has a few more waveforms, and polyphonic aftertouch. But both 'SQs are excellent.

Re: Ensoniq SQ-80 vs Korg DW-8000 ?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:33 am
by laserboy
I just saw theres also a SQ-1..whats the difference to the ESQ-1 ?

Re: Ensoniq SQ-80 vs Korg DW-8000 ?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:56 am
by Ashe37
SQ-1 is a different beast, its more like half of a VFX. If you really want a poor man's PPG Wave, the VFX/ VFX-SD/SD-1/SQ series has scannable wavetables, the ESQ-1/SQ-80 and DW-8000 do not.

(And the Kawai K3 has SEM filters like the PPG)

Re: Ensoniq SQ-80 vs Korg DW-8000 ?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:56 pm
by Sir Ruff
Ashe37 wrote:SQ-1 is a different beast, its more like half of a VFX. If you really want a poor man's PPG Wave, the VFX/ VFX-SD/SD-1/SQ series has scannable wavetables, the ESQ-1/SQ-80 and DW-8000 do not.

(And the Kawai K3 has SEM filters like the PPG)


But of course the VFX (and TI?) series all lack resonant analog filters... Waldorf was the only company to really ever really combine the two, unfortunately.

You can use slightly clever LFO>Amplitude tricks to create wavetable-like scanning on the earlier Ensoniqs, but it's not really the same.

Re: Ensoniq SQ-80 vs Korg DW-8000 ?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:20 pm
by themilford
From the demos to which I've listened:

The K3 seems smoothest, but underwhelming... certainly not a very big sound.

The DW8000 seems to sound pretty lush and "analog"... meaning it seems to approximate bigger polys pretty well... but also adds a tad of weird digital underneath. Sounds like a shrunken-down, muffled PPG... like WAY less impact or weight... but similar. The arpeggiator sounds great. I kinda wish the DW wasn't c**p plastic with a typical keybed, otherwise I'd like to snag one to have as my hybrid and arpeggiator master keyboard.

The ESQ-1/SQ-80 seems to be the most unique of the bunch. Seems like it's own thing... can do the PPG thing a little better than the DW and seems to have more unique features. Build quality of the original metal ones seem really nice. People say it makes a nice master keyboard. Too bad it doesn't have a decent arpeggiator instead of it's maligned sequencer.

Re: Ensoniq SQ-80 vs Korg DW-8000 ?

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 7:32 pm
by Walter Ego
laserboy wrote:is craigslist trustful? and which area should i check there? im not familar with the website

and ist the ESQ -1 really the same except Disk and patch save?
in that Case i would think about to get a Esq1


CL is just an online classified ad site. It's as trustworthy as people are. Just use common sense. There's not a ton of scamming going on in the lesser-known, lesser-sought-after synth world on craigslist--the target net isn't wide enough. Still, you should be careful.

Go to craigslist and find your locality. Search away!

Re: Ensoniq SQ-80 vs Korg DW-8000 ?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 5:53 am
by Kenneth
I used to own a DW8000. I love that synth. Once you get past the crap-tastic plastic chassis and junky clunky keyboard, you will begin to fall in love with the lush "analog" like sounds. The one thing that sets the DW apart from the rest, to me, is the DELAY. Holy moses. One of the coolest, easiest to use, and useful delays I have ever come across. I wish Korg would release that delay as a pedal or module, I would be the first to pre order. Anyway... Especially good for pads, strings, and brass ensemble type patches, okay for leads and basses but that's when its digital nature really starts to make itself known. Maybe you don't mind the digital sound (aliasing on lower notes and grainy wave samples on higher notes), but it bothered me a little bit. It's also great for doing weird BOC type soundscapes, thanks to the onboard delay which can also act as chorus or phaser. DW is an all around great synth for the money.