KORG Volca: Keys VS FM

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KORG Volca: Keys VS FM

Postby griffin avid » Tue Oct 25, 2016 10:05 pm

Hmmm... already have the Beats and the Sampler.
It says they do 1 part a piece so really, it's only adding ONE VOICE or musical element to any song or comp.

Both! seems like a simple answer, but considering that would be only two tones being added at the expense of two more power supplies (ordered separately) AND it takes us to just over $300 money-wise, other ideas spring to mind.

The reviews say they are both sorta no-brainers, but I don't think I agree.
The Beats and Sampler seem to make a nice combination for the rhythm section of a track.
I don't think these two together add as much as a team....

So maybe it's one or the other. And that would at least solve the musical, chromatically pitched element that's triggered in the chain. And since they do longer patterns, it could serve as the main melody supplying instrument.
Any ideas?
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Re: KORG Volca: Keys VS FM

Postby ninja6485 » Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:19 pm

Ok, let me see If I can understand exactly what you're saying.

griffin avid wrote:Hmmm... already have the Beats and the Sampler.
It says they do 1 part a piece so really, it's only adding ONE VOICE or musical element to any song or comp.
You have the beats and the sample, but you can only use each piece to create one part of a song, such that if you have two, you can create two parts: rhythm, and rhythm accompaniment.

Each volca works this way: adding only one element (bass, lead, rythm, etc.

griffin avid wrote:Both! seems like a simple answer, but considering that would be only two tones being added at the expense of two more power supplies (ordered separately) AND it takes us to just over $300 money-wise, other ideas spring to mind.
Here, you're entertaining the question as to whether or not you should add either a keys, or an fm to the two that you already have. You're entertaining the hypothetical question of whether or not you should get both. You don't want both because it's too expensive, it would add too many power supplies, and there are other alternatives you would prefer for that price.

griffin avid wrote:The reviews say they are both sorta no-brainers, but I don't think I agree.
The Beats and Sampler seem to make a nice combination for the rhythm section of a track.
Yo don't thinknow both the keys and the fm are no brainers, hence another reason you do not want to get both.
griffin avid wrote:I don't think these two together add as much as a team....
totally lost here. What's the team? Beats and sampler alone are not as powerful as beats, sampler, and one more?

griffin avid wrote:So maybe it's one or the other. And that would at least solve the musical, chromatically pitched element that's triggered in the chain. And since they do longer patterns, it could serve as the main melody supplying instrument.
Any ideas?
You don't want both the keys and the fm, but the beats and sample on their own are not enough. Thus, you want to add either the keys or the fm (but again not both). Adding one of these will give you some tonal elements (melody. Harmony, etc) and you like how they both can play longer patterns.

My 2 cents:
I like the Volca fm a little more than the keys. From what I understand, it's basically a DX7 in a volca case with a sequencer, and the UI is reported to be a little better than those on the original DX7. So for an FM synth, the Volca FM is actually a pretty decent example next to all the others.

The keys by contrast is great for its size and price, but as an analog poly synth, it seems to be strictly a bread and butter sort of affair. On the plus side, they're more affordable used, and have been around, so there are plenty to be had for cheaper than the fm.

Otherwise, they make different sorts of sounds, so it can come down to the question of which flavor do you prefer?

Also, the Volca FM has pretty colors. The keys is some kind of grey.
This looks like a psychotropic reaction. No wonder it's so popular...
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Re: KORG Volca: Keys VS FM

Postby adamstan » Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:27 pm

ninja6485 wrote:From what I understand, it's basically a DX7 in a volca case with a sequencer


One fifth of a DX7 actually. 3 voices and no velocity sensivity - that's a deal breaker for me.
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Re: KORG Volca: Keys VS FM

Postby griffin avid » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:30 pm

The two together refers to the Volca Keys and FM together, as a team.
I'm inspired by this idea.

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and this...

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Also the volca depth (or height, if standing up) is listed as 4.54 and that looks like the exact height of a eurorack open space. I did a google search and I see no mention anywhere- if a volca can fit in a modular rack.
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Re: KORG Volca: Keys VS FM

Postby griffin avid » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:40 pm

I think the FM is the better choice then. There's also a special MIDI cable that will allow the Sampler to pitch samples up and down chromatically- so that would open up the possibilities.

While not a full, DX, maybe the sheer number of patches available might enhance its scope.
I have 8 million DX-7 patches loaded into an engine in the KORG OASYS. It was nice to get so many new patches but...I prefer other boards for those kinds of elements.

BUT, being in a little case adds so much.
I watched a tutorial on creating the wooden side panels and I'm inspired to make my own.
I was going to make them for a bunch of mooger foogers. Maybe I'll do that too if my will holds up.
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Re: KORG Volca: Keys VS FM

Postby pflosi » Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:18 pm

griffin avid wrote:Also the volca depth (or height, if standing up) is listed as 4.54 and that looks like the exact height of a eurorack open space. I did a google search and I see no mention anywhere- if a volca can fit in a modular rack.


The "exact height" of 3U (=one eurorack row) is 5.25". So the Volca is a bit smaller.

Why would you want to rack it in a Euro case, though? Its width of 7.60" would eat up a whopping 38hp. That is a lot.
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Re: KORG Volca: Keys VS FM

Postby griffin avid » Wed Oct 26, 2016 4:02 pm

I have a mostly empty rack. It's a Pittsburgh rack that's very wide. I was looking to dive in, but I don't really like the sound of any tone generating module as much as one of my regular synths. The closest item to turning me is the intellijel Atlantis. But that's damn expensive (according to me funds). So what's an affordable voice?

Volca- something.

But that's an idea I got as I was looking at the modular racks online and figured maybe someone knew something I didn't. Some people are placing the volcas side by side in a rack. And it looks like a standard modular case so I figured I'd ask if that was an over-looked trend I was missing.
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Re: KORG Volca: Keys VS FM

Postby Jabberwalky » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:31 pm

I was underwhelmed with the Volca FM. I think it was primarily intended to be used in a live setting. Editing on that thing is an absolute chore. So make your sounds on a DX7 or Fm7 vst, then dump them into the box.

I personally find the Keys to be more expressive as a stand alone box. The claims that the filter is from the Minikorg are odd, because I don't really hear it (being an owner of multiple iterations of the minikorg line), but what it does is cool drones/sfx and occasional leads. Don't even consider it a poly synth. It's strengths lie in the bizarre, and delay soaked fückery.

You could also invest in one of those pedal psu splitters, or lots of rechargable AAs.
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Re: KORG Volca: Keys VS FM

Postby ian » Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:12 am

http://youtu.be/Mzo8l5GBQ3E

^ Link to very neat power supply solution... Also, if you back track to part 1 of this video series you will see talk of a Realkits midi cable which fixes the velocity issues assoc. with the Volca FM ( which gets my vote over the keys, having heard neither in person, mind you.). I would also note that I have seen a soder-less midi out mod for sale on eBay for the FM for under $20.
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Re: KORG Volca: Keys VS FM

Postby ian » Sat Oct 29, 2016 6:16 am

P.S. http://youtu.be/BaLuT9knpYs

This one get my vote.
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