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Post-punk, new-wave (cheap) synth?

Postby Saboteur » Thu Apr 27, 2017 1:58 pm

Hello everyone.

I've been a frequent reader of the forum and the reviews section. I'm a guitarist actually, in a post punk/r'n'r/idontknowwhat else band, and we're really looking forward to add a synth to some sections.
Our sound is more like The Sound or Magazine, but people recognize more easily bands like the Cure/Chameleons/Joy Division etc.

To the point:
We've found a Poly 800 (170 euros), a Roland JV-1010 module (190 euros), a Yamaha SY 35 (200 euros/ an SY22 for 140 euros and an SY55 for 170), a Kurzweill K2000 v3 (200 euros), JP-8000 (270 euros/but seems more... techno/trance orientated), a CS1X (120 euros but same... orientation), a Korg Prophecy (250) and a KORG 01W FD (200 euros... again), a Roland RS-5 (200e, maybe totally irrelevant) but we're still searching cause really nobody in the band is an expert on these. (*plus we missed a D50 that was like 140 euros...).

Do you reckon we could proceed with any of these, or should we change totally the route? The maximum price is 250 euro I'd say.

Thanks to all, in advance.

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Re: Post-punk, new-wave (cheap) synth?

Postby meatballfulton » Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:28 pm

Those bands mostly used analog monosynths and string machines...not like any of the synths you mentioned, which are all digital except the Poly 800. The Prophecy is a monosynth but also digital.

If you are not familiar with the terms, a monosynth can only play one note at a time. Polyphonic (or just "poly") synths can play more notes...from 4 to 32 depending on the particular models you mentioned. What you hear on "Love Will Tear Us Apart" for example is what is called a string machine, a simple poly synth that only does string and brass sounds.

Based on the prices, the Poly 800 is way overpriced. The Yamaha, Korg 01 and Kurzweil all leave it in the dust but are more "bread and butter" instruments....they can do pianos, organs and other "realistic" sounds in addition to synth noises, they have onboard effects (good to have) and Korg and Kurzweil have song-based (as opposed to step) sequencers. You can definitely make them do what you want but you will have to spend time programming them first since it's unlikely you will find ore than a few usable presets in them...only the JP8000 has knobs for fast programming. The others require working through menus and some of them are quite deep, so if you are not already familiar with programming sounds you might find these too difficult to use.

For what you want to do the JP8000 is the best choice, even if the presets lean toward trance/techno it can do convincing emulations of vintage analog sounds and is simple to program. Similar Roland digital synths are the SH-201 and Gaia SH-01, they often sell used for less than the JP8000 in the USA not sure about your country.

Good luck and have fun.
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Re: Post-punk, new-wave (cheap) synth?

Postby Saboteur » Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:56 pm

Thank you very much for the very quick and thorough response.

We're complete novices in programming but, yes, we do know it was the analog era then with the (very expensive today) ARPs and the rest of the "clan". Indeed, you're right, the instrument we need is more for gigging/rehearsal purposes, not so much for deep programming and synthesis. Can the JP8000 (quite large, no?) do more "bread and butter" sounds if needed? Or, vice versa, couldn't a JV1010 with a master keyboard as a filter "tweaker" do similar (not same) stuff?

Thanks again :)

*I only find electronica/trance etc demos of the JP8000 :S
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Re: Post-punk, new-wave (cheap) synth?

Postby meatballfulton » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:30 pm

Try these links for JP8000 vintage 70s/80s style sounds

Easysounds Patches for JP8000

Custom Patches From Some Italian Guy

If you program it like an old synth, it will do the job just fine.
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Re: Post-punk, new-wave (cheap) synth?

Postby Ashe37 » Thu Apr 27, 2017 7:01 pm

There's always a Micron plus a master keyboard...
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Re: Post-punk, new-wave (cheap) synth?

Postby ninja6485 » Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:58 pm

The JP-8000 seems to be getting a lot of esteem lately! It should definitely be able to do all the bread and butter sounds of the old analogs
This looks like a psychotropic reaction. No wonder it's so popular...
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Re: Post-punk, new-wave (cheap) synth?

Postby Saboteur » Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:24 pm

Thank you all for your participation :)
So 300 dollars can be considered ok for a jp8000?
Compared to sh-201?
I'll also check the micron. Hadn't thought of this option.

*There's also a Korg R3 for 220 dollars.
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Re: Post-punk, new-wave (cheap) synth?

Postby Ashe37 » Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:39 pm

$300 for a JP8k is good. The R3 has some deeper editing and more complex voicing options.
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Re: Post-punk, new-wave (cheap) synth?

Postby Saboteur » Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:13 pm

Well that's an encouraging feedback. The guy sent me pics. It just seems a bit dusty. He says it's a fully working jp8k but it needs battery. Anyone knows the cost of this?
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Re: Post-punk, new-wave (cheap) synth?

Postby Ashe37 » Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:59 pm

Its in a holder and is a standard CR2032 apparently
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Re: Post-punk, new-wave (cheap) synth?

Postby Saboteur » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:48 pm

I really appreciate your help. We d probably buy a toy if it was completely up to us (well toys not that bad for our genre lol).
Last (I hope) question :

A 300 dollar jp8000 or a 250 dollar D50?

*don't laugh at the prices. Forgot to mention I'm from Greece where poverty nowadays is veeery extended. Mixed emotions when you see 70s Telecasters being sold for 1000 dollars or less.
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Re: Post-punk, new-wave (cheap) synth?

Postby Ashe37 » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:52 pm

the jp8k is more flexible and programmable of the two.
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Re: Post-punk, new-wave (cheap) synth?

Postby Saboteur » Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:52 pm

Thank you Ashe, indeed.
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Re: Post-punk, new-wave (cheap) synth?

Postby meatballfulton » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:33 pm

For your stated purposes, the JP8000 is a better choice than a D50.
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Re: Post-punk, new-wave (cheap) synth?

Postby Saboteur » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:58 pm

Thank you gents.
Trying to drop the price to 270 euros (300 dollars).
If the seller agrees (starting price is 340-350 dollars) next week I'll upload a video with the jp and my puzzled face here.
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