What would you sell to help fund andromeda, if u were me?

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Re: What would you sell to help fund andromeda, if u were me?

Post by loungedumore » Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:57 pm

I would get rid of the Oberheim DX ... sure it's great to have a vintage drum machine , but in the end it's just samples and there are a lot of great sample libraries of the DX ( too many maybe ) . Plus I'm sure you can fetch a pretty penny for it ;)
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Re: What would you sell to help fund andromeda, if u were me?

Post by Dogboy73 » Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:18 pm

clusterchord wrote:andromeda is analog thru and thru, and sounds like it. not "digital analog". if i ever find a digital that can make such organic pads, and deep bass. im phukin buying straight away. several units. Diametro, if you're smoking something, me want some too :lol: ;)

you should read less into its spec, and ppl babbling online that its a hybrid. they just dont know what they're talking about. playing one and programming one is a much better way to form an opinion. it hasn't any more digital parts in CV modulation section (lfo, env) than some other polyphonics from the late vintage era. few examples would be matrix12, xpander, prophet T8, synthex (which is actually more digital than A6, but anyway).

bottom line, its all analog audio path. and this makes a huge difference. i do admit , one area where they really fkd up, and where the digital mod sources show their ugly side is PWM. its absolutely uncomparable with my jupiter or other oldies, in this area.
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"Let's get one thing out of the way before I begin. Despite Alesis' claims to the contrary, the Andromeda 16-Voice Real Analogue Synthesizer (as they call it) is not a real analogue synthesizer — at least, not completely. Huge chunks of its architecture are digital, and I'm not only referring to the digital effects, the microprocessor-controlled operating system, or even the memories. No... the controllers in the sound-generation system — the envelopes, the LFOs, and the Sample & Hold — are all digital, as is the oscillator tuning (although not the oscillators themselves). This makes the Andromeda a hybrid analogue/digital synth, much like, for example, the Sequential Prophet T8. However, the signal path is analogue. Alesis has even placed the digital effects section in a side chain. This means that, if you avoid these, the output from the Andromeda remains pure analogue, all the way from the oscillators to the outside world."

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Post by braincandy » Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:24 pm

Dogboy73 wrote:
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What would you sell to help fund andromeda, if u were me?
My arsehole? I have heard there's good money to be made down at the docks.
That's not very helpful because we don't have docks here in Dallas. We're landlocked with no navigable rivers nearby.
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Re: What would you sell to help fund andromeda, if u were me?

Post by druzz » Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:50 am

i would sell the oberheim DX . i sold my drumtraks for 400$ and don't regret it even if i liked it. youre mpc can probably cover the grounds of the dx.

the SQ80 wont be as appealing when you have an andromeda . i would sell it .

i would sell the poly800 . unless you really use it . yeah its only worth 100$ , its a good reason not to sell it but is it a reason to keep it??

the mirage, cz-1 and ,six traks could go unles they are a big part of your sound

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Post by michael stein » Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:39 am

Thanks for all the advice everyone.... and just to add. Even tho i haven't played an andromeda yet. There's no way it can do anything like the character of the SQ-80 in my opinion.

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Re: What would you sell to help fund andromeda, if u were me?

Post by Z » Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:02 am

Garranimal has one, maybe he'd let you check his out. He brought his to my shop a few months back and I'm totally impressed with it. I wish I had bought one a year or so ago when used ones were still going for under $2K. I can't believe used A6's sell for over $2K when you can get a new one for $2500.

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Re: What would you sell to help fund andromeda, if u were me?

Post by Synthaholic » Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:27 pm

Dogboy73 wrote:Despite Alesis' claims to the contrary, the Andromeda...is not a real analogue synthesizer — at least, not completely...the controllers in the sound-generation system — the envelopes, the LFOs, and the Sample & Hold — are all digital, as is the oscillator tuning (although not the oscillators themselves). This makes the Andromeda a hybrid analogue/digital synth, much like, for example, the Sequential Prophet T8...
Digital envelopes and LFOs make not a hybrid synth. Many of our coveted "vintage analog polysynths" have digital envelopes and/or LFOs.

To me, a hybrid analog/digital synth is one where part of the sound generation is digital and part is analog, such as digital oscillators going into analog filters. Or something like the DSI Evolvers that have both analog and digital oscillators going into analog filters. Some say that DCOs make a synth a hybrid. But the Andy uses VCOs, and the "digital tuning" you mention is just the CPU monitoring the oscillator's pitch and adjusting the CVs to compensate, and of course you can turn this off.

The Andromeda is an analog synth, because the entire audio path from oscillators through filters through VCAs, mixers, etc. are all analog. The audio doesn't start out digital, nor does it become digital (other than in the sidechained effects section, which isn't part of the actual synthesis engine). The analog synth components are controlled by analog control voltages that happen to be generated digitally. Just because the control voltages hitting the analog circuits come off a digital circuit and DAC doesn't make it a digital synth IMHO.

If you had a turntable or tape deck that used digital feedback to control the motor speed, or logic controls, would that make it a digital deck?

Maybe the correct term would be a "digitally-controlled analog synth". :)
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Post by pflosi » Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:54 pm

it can also be an advantage to have digital lfos and envelopes. you can midi-sync the lfos, you can choose the shape (linear, 3 different exponential, logarithmic and s-curves) of the times in the envelopes, it has 8 stages instead of 4, etc.

from same article:

"Now, let's get down to the digital nitty-gritty. It's not just that the Andromeda's three envelope generators offer seven stages, nor that they're displayed graphically on the screen, nor even that you can direct them to almost anywhere within the Andromeda... no, I love the Andromeda's envelopes because they offer a choice of nine selectable slopes per stage. You really have to play with this feature to realise how good it is, and also just how much of the character of a favourite old synth is determined by the responses of its envelopes. Biting attacks, smooth attacks, squelchy attacks, natural decays, aggressive decays... they're all there if you care to experiment. Furthermore, you can loop the envelopes using any stage as the start point, and any later stage as the end-point, and you can choose to smooth (or not) the contours thus generated. This is excellent for slow, evolving pads. Then there are the multiple keyboard trigger modes, the triggering capabilities provided by the modulation matrix, the interactions with the LFOs, sequencer and arpeggiator... far too much to cover here, I'm afraid."

and that was in 2001... as said many times, the latest OS improves this even more

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Post by nvbrkr » Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:39 pm

To be honest, I've always find it really odd that you can have OS updates on analog synths that considerably alter their performance. Sure, I'm a Voyager (RME) user myself so that's reality for me as well, but it still makes me scratch my head sometimes (pot mapping?).

This is starting to be an old thread, but I'd sell at least the ObDX, SixTrak, Microkorg and the Poly-800 (I really don't understand why I still have mine - other than for playing the theme from Beverly Hills cop on it sometimes). I don't know about some of the other stuff there that I have no experience of myself - the SH-101 would be the first to go in my own case though. It's actually worth something and I wouldn't have too much use for it.

I like the way the CS-15 is placed in the middle. It's not a personal favourite of mine soundwise, but it's sort of, you know, iconic.

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Re: What would you sell to help fund andromeda, if u were me?

Post by otto » Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:42 pm

pflosi wrote:
otto wrote:What's the white modular thingy?
the vermona DRM
Nah, I meant the white thing in the lower corner of the picture. On closer inspection it looks like some kind of custom circuit bent thing.
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Post by pflosi » Sat Dec 19, 2009 5:51 pm

ah, i hadnt seen that.

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Post by danbroad » Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:20 pm

If it's inspiration from a fresh start, then start afresh. Sell everything, and build it up from the A6.

If it's financially challenging, but you really need an A6, then sell the combination of items you need to raise the cash so the transaction is cost neutral.

Me, I'm not sure I'd sell anything that I liked unless I was 100% sure I like the A6 more.... and I've been there, from bitter experience. Sold a Virus twice before I realised that I'd made an expensive mistake twice... once is unlucky, but...

Maybe a better way of doing this is to list what you absolutely have to keep? I'd start with the MPC; the best hardware sequencer under $1000...

Oh, and BTW - where are some great off-the-beaten path gear shops in Dallas/FW? I'm over visiting friends sometime soon, and some insider knowledge would be most helpful..
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Post by Z » Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:28 pm

danbroad wrote: Oh, and BTW - where are some great off-the-beaten path gear shops in Dallas/FW? I'm over visiting friends sometime soon, and some insider knowledge would be most helpful..
Unfortunately, GC has pretty much put all the independent shops out of business and eBay/internet has killed pawn shops. There's a few pawn shops on lower Greenville Ave in Dallas that have interesting things from time to time, but I seldom get to that area. Also, DFW is not a real "synth savvy" area. We're more of a guitar driven community: mostly rock, blues, country. Though more synth-headz seem to be appearing, maybe we can have a small synth resurgence.

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Post by danbroad » Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:47 pm

Thanks for the info! I'm usually content enough visiting GC/Sam Ash etc - they're pretty well stocked - but like the rest of us I dream of finding a Mini at a thrift store... Until recently, the $ to £ was so good that goods at the US RRP were a bargain - even with local taxes. Now we're back down to about $1.60 to £1, it's more difficult to spot the bargains - but there's a whole feast of made-in-the-USA stuff we just don't get to see over here unless we visit the ultra-specialists like KMR.

Still, I've been known to wield a six-string before now, and I just can't get enough live blues and rock....
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