Suggestions for all-in-one outboard effects unit?

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Re: Suggestions for all-in-one outboard effects unit?

Post by Stab Frenzy » Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:26 am

Oh and in case anyone hasn't been around here enough to know already: when aeon talks effects it's wise to listen. :)

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Re: Suggestions for all-in-one outboard effects unit?

Post by Rusty O'Hara » Sat Jun 19, 2010 5:08 am

Stab Frenzy wrote:Oh and in case anyone hasn't been around here enough to know already: when aeon talks effects it's wise to listen. :)
Second that.

I came in to make some comments / recommendations. All I can say is read aeon's post. Always excellent advice on effects from Ian.

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Re: Suggestions for all-in-one outboard effects unit?

Post by aeon » Sat Jun 19, 2010 5:24 am

Well, thank you both. This effects slut really does appreciate it.


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Re: Suggestions for all-in-one outboard effects unit?

Post by Joey » Sat Jun 19, 2010 4:01 pm

so aeon - how does the fireworx compare to something like an H3000, or even the kurzweil stuff? (i just picked up the fireworx recently and have been looking at an h3000 as well...)
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Re: Suggestions for all-in-one outboard effects unit?

Post by Elandroth » Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:37 pm

If I go with the Ensoniq DP/4, is there a major reason I should strive to get the + model and not the normal DP/4?

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Re: Suggestions for all-in-one outboard effects unit?

Post by CfNorENa » Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:58 am

Elandroth wrote:If I go with the Ensoniq DP/4, is there a major reason I should strive to get the + model and not the normal DP/4?
The DP/4+ is 24 bit. If I'm not mistaken, the DP/4 is 16 bit. There is some internet chatter about this difference, with some claiming that the DP/4 is a bit "dirtier," which some users prefer. Not sure how much truth there is to that (gotta wonder how many people have actually done A/B comparisons with the two units!)...

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Re: Suggestions for all-in-one outboard effects unit?

Post by Elandroth » Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:21 am

Hmmm definently something interesting to consider if that's the case. I think I'd prefer a dirtier version if that has some merit.

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Re: Suggestions for all-in-one outboard effects unit?

Post by aeon » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:54 am

CfNorENa wrote:
Elandroth wrote:If I go with the Ensoniq DP/4, is there a major reason I should strive to get the + model and not the normal DP/4?
The DP/4+ is 24 bit. If I'm not mistaken, the DP/4 is 16 bit.
Both units have 16-bit AD/DA with 24/48-bit DSP engines.

To my understanding, the differences are these: The DP/4 has 1/4" I/O, the DP/4+ has XLR I/O; also, the DP/4+ has a few more effects algorithms that debuted in the DP/2 which are not present in the DP/4.


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Re: Suggestions for all-in-one outboard effects unit?

Post by Elandroth » Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:20 am

I see - so torn between just getting a DP/4 quickly (reviews are all fantastic for it, everyone seems satisfied), or saving up for a Fireworx. GAS clouds the mind, I swear.


This has been a very enlightening thread though. ^_^

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Re: Suggestions for all-in-one outboard effects unit?

Post by CfNorENa » Sun Jun 20, 2010 5:48 pm

aeon wrote:
CfNorENa wrote:The DP/4+ is 24 bit. If I'm not mistaken, the DP/4 is 16 bit.
Both units have 16-bit AD/DA with 24/48-bit DSP engines.

To my understanding, the differences are these: The DP/4 has 1/4" I/O, the DP/4+ has XLR I/O; also, the DP/4+ has a few more effects algorithms that debuted in the DP/2 which are not present in the DP/4.
Thanks for the clarification. Sounds like the internet chatter about the two units sounding different is without basis (not a big surprise!)...

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Re: Suggestions for all-in-one outboard effects unit?

Post by Overgear » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:58 am

Both DP/4 have 1/4" on the rear, but the + are balanced, with a +4/-10 switch, and there is an XLR in on the front.

Another DP/4 lover, here.

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Re: Suggestions for all-in-one outboard effects unit?

Post by stikygum » Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:04 am

The Kurzweil Mangler is a fun one on the cheap.
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Re: Suggestions for all-in-one outboard effects unit?

Post by shaft9000 » Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:00 am

Kurzweil Rumour has perhaps the best 'verb for the money, imho.
It always sounds smooth and musical with many sources, and it layers really well over multiple tracks. All signs of an excellent reverb.
H3000 reverb tends to like to be wilder and more synthetic; a more flat-out 'effected' sound.
The Rumour is outstanding for large spaces down to those subtle ambiences that you barely perceive - yet can make or break a mix.

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Re: Suggestions for all-in-one outboard effects unit?

Post by Rusty O'Hara » Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:22 am

stikygum wrote:The Kurzweil Mangler is a fun one on the cheap.
shaft9000 wrote:Kurzweil Rumour has perhaps the best 'verb for the money, imho.
Or just get the KSP8 :mrgreen:

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Re: Suggestions for all-in-one outboard effects unit?

Post by Dubersive » Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:55 am

aeon wrote: Bar none, the Kurzweil Rumour. One engine's-worth of the KSP8 reverb that works well on just about everything, including the difficult task of rendering synthetic percussive ambience.


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