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first moog synth...

Post by JohnTron » Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:31 am

I need a vintage monosynth that sounds warm and fat for bass and leads. I was originally thinking SCI Pro One, but I have been waiting forever to pop my moog cherry, and vco for that matter. I've got scads of dco synths that all have a somewhat metallic timbre. I'm looking for the cheapest, but warmest moog synth.

I have been thinking about getting a Micromoog since their prices have dropped recently. It's a step up from the MG-1 and Rogue. But how big of a step is it? How does it compare to the minimoog in your opinion? The older the better, but price and reliability are still a factor. Am I barking up the right tree?
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Re: first moog synth...

Post by Automatic Gainsay » Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:37 am

JohnTron wrote:I need a vintage monosynth that sounds warm and fat for bass and leads. I was originally thinking SCI Pro One, but I have been waiting forever to pop my moog cherry, and vco for that matter. I've got scads of dco synths that all have a somewhat metallic timbre. I'm looking for the cheapest, but warmest moog synth.

I have been thinking about getting a Micromoog since their prices have dropped recently. It's a step up from the MG-1 and Rogue. But how big of a step is it? How does it compare to the minimoog in your opinion? The older the better, but price and reliability are still a factor. Am I barking up the right tree?
I always encourage people to buy the Micromoog. It, of all the lower-budget Moogs, has the most Moog Sound-like sound. It also has a lot of unique features.
That being said, it's not a step up from the MG-1, as the MG-1 has two oscillators. It's a step up in build quality (although not a large step up), and a step up in unique functionality, but the MG-1 is no slouch. Still, if you want the Moog Sound, I say Micromoog. If you want a full-featured and inexpensive Moog which can occasionally pull off some even Minimoogish sounds, get an MG-1.

If you want a Moog simply to have a synth with that name on it, it doesn't matter what you get.
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Re: first moog synth...

Post by JohnTron » Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:48 am

Automatic Gainsay wrote:I always encourage people to buy the Micromoog. It, of all the lower-budget Moogs, has the most Moog Sound-like sound. It also has a lot of unique features.
That being said, it's not a step up from the MG-1, as the MG-1 has two oscillators. It's a step up in build quality (although not a large step up), and a step up in unique functionality, but the MG-1 is no slouch. Still, if you want the Moog Sound, I say Micromoog. If you want a full-featured and inexpensive Moog which can occasionally pull off some even Minimoogish sounds, get an MG-1.

If you want a Moog simply to have a synth with that name on it, it doesn't matter what you get.
Thanks for the reply AG. I stopped caring about the brand-name and the looks of my synths. I'm simply concerned with the tone. Between those two, it sounds like the micromoog has a warmer and purer quality to it, although limited to a single osc.

I want to get as close as I can to the real thing (mini). I have the Minimonsta softie that I can explore for the mini's features. And dual osc dco's to educate myself more on the editing process. I think the micro is the way to go for me. Thanks again.
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Re: first moog synth...

Post by Automatic Gainsay » Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:30 pm

JohnTron wrote:Between those two, it sounds like the micromoog has a warmer and purer quality to it, although limited to a single osc.
This is absolutely true. What's more, the timbral capabilities of the Micromoog make a second oscillator pretty unimportant.
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Re: first moog synth...

Post by druzz » Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:37 pm

john , personally i would go for the mg-1 . the mini has up to three oscillators but lets say we use only two because we like to do modulation. now what will get you closer to the sound of a two oscillators analog synth, a one osc synth or a two osc synth?? i know it sounds retarded to ask that question but having only one osc will keep you very far from a lot of the minimoog sounds we love to play with . so whats more important for you, tone subtleties or foundamental features.

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Re: first moog synth...

Post by Automatic Gainsay » Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:10 pm

druzz wrote:john , personally i would go for the mg-1 . the mini has up to three oscillators but lets say we use only two because we like to do modulation. now what will get you closer to the sound of a two oscillators analog synth, a one osc synth or a two osc synth?? i know it sounds retarded to ask that question but having only one osc will keep you very far from a lot of the minimoog sounds we love to play with . so whats more important for you, tone subtleties or foundamental features.
The reason I endorse the Micromoog in this respect is because the Micromoog is far closer in tone to the Minimoog, irrespective of oscillator count. Obviously, it's awesome that the MG-1 has what amounts to 3 oscillators to stack, and certainly, it can do some Minimoog-like sounds, but the Minimoog tone evades it.
You're right, though... it is a tradeoff. More tone with Micro, more osc-count similarities with MG.
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Re: first moog synth...

Post by redchapterjubilee » Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:11 pm

i'm with AG. If you want the stereotypical bandwidth-hogging Moog sound...the MG-1 just doesn't really do that. I owned one for several years and sold it after I bought a Source. The first time I touched a key on the Source...THAT was what a Moog was supposed to sound like. I've played a Micromoog before. It has that too, but the MG-1 doesn't. Not that the MG-1 is a bad synth because it is an awesome synthesizer. It just doesn't have that, I dunno, largess of sound than I normally associate with Moog.
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Re: first moog synth...

Post by druzz » Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:20 am

actually i think i would grab any of them if i had a good occasion but its true that for what john is asking the micro fits the purpose (if this expression exist or make any sense)*.

it is a moog after all ,compared to being ''like a'' moog. and the reliability should come with it as well as the sound.




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Re: first moog synth...

Post by ygg » Fri Oct 01, 2010 12:41 pm

Never played a micro but I do have a mini and a mg-1.

From what johntron says: "I'm looking for the cheapest, but warmest moog synth." what can be warmer then a mg-1..

Not sure about the micro's bass potential but the mg-1 does some seriously wicked bass. I use it way more then the mini (which I hardly use, it eats to much space/freQs) for bass sounds. Strange perhaps, but my daily reality.

Also with 2 osc comes the ability to sync, among other possibilities.
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Re: first moog synth...

Post by rharris07 » Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:00 pm

I'm not being an asshole on purpose - but can't you get the moog sound from a little phatty too?

The reason I ask - I don't own any moogs, never played any vintage moogs. I've only played on the LP so thats the only sound of moog I know from personal experience...

Are they not the same moog sound any longer?

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Re: first moog synth...

Post by ColorForm2113 » Fri Oct 01, 2010 2:20 pm

I love my micromoog, I never had a chance to play a mini, just voyager and little phatty, but trust me you will not miss the extra vcos once you blend in a little sub osc and put some modulation to the wave form. You can get some bowl loosening bass from that. As far as leads, it can sing like a saprano opera singer or can push your lead guitarist off the stage and out of the spotlight. Just make sure get one with a good pitch ribbon controller

Also its very good for percussion sounds.
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Re: first moog synth...

Post by redchapterjubilee » Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:35 pm

rharris07 wrote:I'm not being an asshole on purpose - but can't you get the moog sound from a little phatty too?
Yes indeed you can. That's my stock go-to synthesizer for pretty much anything I can't play with chords. If it's too big I go to the Tetra or Juno. I've commented on here before about my love-hate relationship with my LP (love its sound but when I'm away from it keep thinking I'd rather have a vintage knobby Moog) but it is a pro instrument and to my ears it has about 98% of the Source's tone (it doesn't sizzle up top as much). These days second-hand LP Stage I's (w/o USB) are creeping close to $700. That's not much more than you'd pay for a Micro or an MG-1...
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Re: first moog synth...

Post by Sir Nose » Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:54 pm

redchapterjubilee wrote:
rharris07 wrote:I'm not being an asshole on purpose - but can't you get the moog sound from a little phatty too?
These days second-hand LP Stage I's (w/o USB) are creeping close to $700. That's not much more than you'd pay for a Micro or an MG-1...

Even cheaper after repair tech bills. Unless, there's a specific vintage moog sound (specific to a single instrument) you are looking for I would definately go with the LP. You can't download a preset bank for a micro or mg :lol:
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Post by Automatic Gainsay » Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:58 pm

ygg wrote:what can be warmer then a mg-1..
A Micromoog. :)
ygg wrote:Not sure about the micro's bass potential but the mg-1 does some seriously wicked bass. I use it way more then the mini (which I hardly use, it eats to much space/freQs) for bass sounds. Strange perhaps, but my daily reality.

Also with 2 osc comes the ability to sync, among other possibilities.
Don't get me wrong, I am the guy who tells everyone that the fact that they're not buying one of the cheapest AND feature-filled AND Moog synthesizers is an outrage. The MG-1 is a great-sounding and feature-filled synthesizer... I'd take it over a Rogue or a Prodigy any day.
However, it lacks the amazing tone, low end, and REALLY interesting functionality the Micromoog possesses.

As for using your MG-1 instead of your Minimoog... don't you feel limited by the limited octave settings? You can only go so low with your MG-1, and it doesn't have the triangle wave, which delivers such amazingly low, deep, and rich timbres on the Minimoog.
rharris07 wrote:I've only played on the LP so thats the only sound of moog I know from personal experience...
Are they not the same moog sound any longer?
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The modern Moogs sound absolutely splendid, and definitely possess a sound which differs from other synthesizers due to their filter and implementation. This is a Moog sound, but it is not "The Moog Sound" of yore.
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Re: first moog synth...

Post by JohnTron » Sat Oct 16, 2010 9:12 am

this has been extremely helpful, thank you. i gotta sell a couple roland jx's, then i will wait for a micro to come along. unfortunately, they are averaging around $700-1000 online, not the $500-600 range i was hoping for. im going to wait patiently and with any luck get one cheaper....should fit rather nicely over the juno. the mg-1 still intrigues me as well, thanks for input...
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