Gear for techno/house/minimal ? (newbie)

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Re: Gear for techno/house/minimal ? (newbie)

Post by jeeroj » Fri Nov 05, 2010 5:19 pm

it sounds like you need to balls down for a bit and have a good long think about what you are up to currently and what you hope to achieve in the future.

at the moment you're buying left right and centre and not taking the time to concentrate on individual pieces of equipment. It's too easy to get a synth/groovebox and not actually put the time in to learn how to use it because you think "i'd be a lot better with X,Y or Z".

you seem to have a quite a bit of gear so maybe you'd be better off selling the lot and getting 1 or 2 really good bits and slowly building up from there. :)
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Re: Gear for techno/house/minimal ? (newbie)

Post by sequentialsoftshock » Fri Nov 05, 2010 5:22 pm

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mt12345 wrote:Well, I considered microkorg, but it's still bit pricey.
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Re: Gear for techno/house/minimal ? (newbie)

Post by stephen » Fri Nov 05, 2010 5:51 pm

There's plenty of EM-1 demos on youtube... check out Ghostradioshow and darenager for starters.
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Re: Gear for techno/house/minimal ? (newbie)

Post by Phenom » Fri Nov 05, 2010 5:59 pm

jeeroj wrote:you seem to have a quite a bit of gear so maybe you'd be better off selling the lot and getting 1 or 2 really good bits and slowly building up from there. :)
This sounds like the best idea, especially since it doesn't sound like you've made much of a connection with, or time investment with your current gear (not putting you down, I've had lots of gear that I didn't put the time into).
Stab Frenzy wrote: What kind of advice are you hoping for, some secret synth that nobody knows about that is amazing but goes for 50 bucks? :?


As for finding interesting but cheap synths I suggest you do a search for threads on the subject. There's a few good cheap synths about, but these are usually synths that specialise in a certain type of sound, and are probably better buys once you've built your core set-up.
mt12345 wrote:lucky you, living in the states. I'm based in london, UK. Here they sell for $450, and, for example, good condition TR909 is $1500-2000. Even finding old good AKAI 950 for less than $200 is impossible.impossible
I have to say this isn't my experience of the UK market, sure people ask for silly prices, but they rarely get them. Yes we pay a bit more in the UK, but the 2nd hand market isn't as bad as you descibe. It's a buyer's market for microkorgs really. If you want one, I'm sure you could pick one up very cheap. $450???? no way, you could get close to an MS2000 for that on ebay uk. I sold my mint ms2000 for £330 and that was a good few years ago.

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Re: Gear for techno/house/minimal ? (newbie)

Post by ryryoftokyo » Fri Nov 05, 2010 6:24 pm

Yamaha AN1x, all the way....

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Re: Gear for techno/house/minimal ? (newbie)

Post by Sir Nose » Fri Nov 05, 2010 7:05 pm

Another way to start a hardware collection on the cheap is not to be so picky about what your next purchase will be, other than a quality instrument. Have a long list of hardware you want to consider and check out. Only buy when it can be resold for more to double. And then wait and search. After a couple of years you may have gotten lucky a few times and have a nice set up. Buy a synth, figure out how you can use it and use it for that function. Most all of them do something good. Some just aren't worth the cost for what they do. Get rid of those.

It takes a while to get to know a piece of hardware. How to use it and, more importantly, how to misuse it. You'll have plenty of time exploiting the quirks of your most recent acquisition to wait for the next score to come rolling along.
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Re: Gear for techno/house/minimal ? (newbie)

Post by jeeroj » Fri Nov 05, 2010 8:39 pm

yes, wait for the price to come to you. DO NOT rush into a sale and pay over the odds because you really want the synth. The deal will come to you if you are patient :)
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Re: Gear for techno/house/minimal ? (newbie)

Post by somebedroomdj » Sat Nov 06, 2010 12:57 am

Lots of good advice in this thread. Best thing to do, I've found, is to spend more time with your equipment and find out exactly where the limitations for each piece are. Then just spend some time online reading about different machines and see if there's a different solution. Next step, if you really do need to get a certain item, is to watch Ebay for a few weeks (without pulling the trigger on anything) and just see how much they actually are known to go for. When I decided I wanted an ESX, I jumped on Ebay the same day and bought one for $260, thinking it was a really awesome deal and I had better act on it right away. It certainly wasn't a bad price (with a 128mb sm card included) but not really that far from what I've seen them going for since then. I guess what I'm trying to say is, don't rush into buying something just because it seems like a deal you won't see again. Do plenty of research and find out what a really good deal is for that item. Then wait.

Hint: browse the buy it now listings with new listings first and do it several times a day. When you're hard up for cash and need it fast, you don't want to wait x number of days for the listing to end so you put a low price and list it as buy it now.
The best deals, most people will never even see because they are listed and sell right away.

As for your situation, have you given any thought to selling everything and getting an RS-7000 or maybe MC-909? Maybe get one of those and then upgrade to a dedicated unit for each part (drum machine, sampler, synth) as your funds allow over time. Even after you get other gear, you'd be able to keep either of these as a good sequencer for whatever you end up adding in the future.
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Re: Gear for techno/house/minimal ? (newbie)

Post by Stab Frenzy » Sat Nov 06, 2010 3:26 am

mt12345 wrote:
CS_TBL wrote:Just go software, VST.
Thanks but no. I'm switching from software to hardware.
Hardware costs money. The only advantages of hardware are lost by the stuff you can afford, those being interface and sound quality. For $50 you're gonna get a little box with a tiny screen and a couple of buttons to edit it with, and you'll have to play it via midi from either a computer or the MC303. It will be just like using software except you've got more things to plug in and organise.

OK, so you want something good, cheap, has a hands on interface and you can use it to make techno/house/minimal? Sell everything you own (MC303, the compressor, any other synths you might have.) Put in any extra cash you have and buy an E-Mu XL-7. Then invest all your time into learning how to use it, it's a massively powerful synth and sequencer, has a pretty decent hands-on interface although there are a lot of menus as well, and the sound quality is top notch except for the fact that the internal mix bus is lacking in headroom. That won't be a problem for minimal stuff but you might need to watch your levels or multitrack out for denser mixes.

The E-Mu Command Stations are as close as you're gonna get to the mythical super-cheap amazing sounding synth. They're really cheap because E-Mu got bought out by Creative just after they came out, and so they were discontinued before they'd had a chance to market them properly. They're also incredibly deep and powerful synths and you need to put the time in to reading the manual and learning how to use them to get the most out of them. You don't see heaps of them up for sale all the time, but keep an eye out on the SOS classifieds and ebay and you'll find one for under 250 pounds eventually.

If that sounds like too much hard work you could just buy a Kaossilator.

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Re: Gear for techno/house/minimal ? (newbie)

Post by shaft9000 » Sat Nov 06, 2010 3:41 pm

They're obviously not 'high-end sound' for that kind of money-per-feature, but Electribes ain't no toys:



and fwiw, i made this track entirely on an ESX using stock sounds, a week after I bought it:
http://www.awrongturn.com/shaft9000%20SWEET%20PEA.mp3
all effects are internal, even the bitcrushing at the end. recorded 100% live, no overdubs. just some EQ and compression plugs and it was done.

i wouldn't recommend Elektron by themselves to get an old-school sound, or for old-school at all - they sound very much as late-90's minimal techno; reminiscent of NI's sound generation - will sound icy and comparatively stiff unless you have other character pieces+fx to mix things up.
if you are dead-set on the authentic cracking old-school xOx sound(tb-303+tr-909 etc) then start saving.

otherwise get busy w/ what you got and add slowly.
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Re: Gear for techno/house/minimal ? (newbie)

Post by balma » Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:23 pm

the idea of the minimal, is working with few sounds, but going deep into them. since you have few sounds, more attention will be over them so you must work them a lot.

WIth a short budget, is hard to find hardware to satisfy these needs, unless you are a big pro on hardware. So I will do what Shaft recommends: go software

bunless you fin for $260 an ESX, now that's a total bargain. their price is around $400.

A sampler like the ESX1, is maybe the best option for a low budget. But there's a lot of work to do when you get one, since the factory samples are supercheesy.

this is a minimal track by ESX1 with some fizmo help
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Re: Gear for techno/house/minimal ? (newbie)

Post by subtrackt » Fri Mar 25, 2011 7:43 pm

*I learned the hard way less is more!

My old setup-
Quasimidi Sirius (my fav synth ever) :o
Yamaha su-700, DX200
Akai s950, s612 (cool funky thing), MPC500 (don't even think about buying the pads suck)
Syntechno TEEBEE mkII (awesome) :twisted:
Korg Ea1, Er1, ES1, EMX1, ESX1, Prophechy (very cool)
MFB 502 (sounds great for the price, but the sequencer is !#$%#$ed), synthlite (original not analog, DCO but it sounded very cool :mrgreen: miss it), Synth II
Elektron Sidstation (sold it for like 100 us dollars bad idea :( )
Roland mc-09 (weird but cool in a way), mc303, tr505 (hate it), tr626 (love it, pitchable drums, indv. outs 12!), more, more, more juno 60, the list goes on...................................
Well the list goes on but you get the idea.
*unfortunately I developed a bad herion problem so all of it's gone, pawned, sold, or stolen....

New setup-
Korg em1, a few palm pilots (found in trash and fixed) w/ microbe and bahajisloops, casio sk1 (CRUNCHY!), dbx over easy compressor (for BASS),computer midi'ed with free rebirth iso (I hate software but I love rebirth even though in my opinion the TB's sound nothing like the real bubbly 18db filter a*s kicking quirky sequencer goodness of the real thing), 10 channel Behringer mixer with fx (I like knobs over sliders). So my setups worth less than a 1000 us dollars.

^^POINT BEING I AM MAKING THE BEST MUSIC I HAVE EVER MADE! DOES NOT MEAN I WILL NOT GET MORE GEAR! BUT GET WHAT YOU NEED AND YOU ARE FLUENT AND COMFORTABLE USING... ALSO LESS GEAR MAKES YOU STRETCH WHAT YOU HAVE TO THE LIMIT.^^

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