Arp 2600 Value, price and functionality

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Re: Arp 2600 Value, price and functionality

Post by Stab Frenzy » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:24 am

meatballfulton wrote:Yeah, I know all about vintage guitars...I own a few (well, basses) and I don't understand that market either.
Corporate guys who learnt guitar as kids and always dreamed of having that one particular guitar, now they're old and have heaps of cash and can splash out in an attempt to recapture their youth. It's also a bit of a competition, being willing to pay more than anyone else wants to for something is seen as 'winning'. Lucky seller I say.

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Re: Arp 2600 Value, price and functionality

Post by Stab Frenzy » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:37 am

Automatic Gainsay wrote:I sold my 44- space (not entirely filled) dot com to buy my ARP 2600 several years ago. My dot com blew my ARP 2600 away in regard to functionality.
I just did a little number crunching, and I think you could get what a 2600 has with a dot com for under $5000.
What exactly is the 2600 spec? 3 VCOs, 1 LFO, 1 Noise, 1 Ring Mod, 1 Spring Reverb, 1 S&H, 1 ADSR, 1 AR, 2 VCAs and a couple of mixers (panning)?

I wonder what you could do in Eurorack to get that? STG do the post-lawsuit filter which is supposed to be pretty accurate, it's the same as the original circuit I believe.

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Re: Arp 2600 Value, price and functionality

Post by Explorer » Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:48 am

Expect to pay around 5 to 8000 USD for a ARP 2600.
If you can get one for 2500 USD,don't hesitate,just take it home with you.
They can be repaired 100% Image

Depending on the electronical condition.
Recently serviced or not,upgrades done by a qualified technician like Phil or Synthfool.

Those upgrades by Phil Scirocco look yummy.
Expect to pay some money but this makes it THE BOMB.

I payed 6000 USD for a MINT condition ARP 2600 Gray Meanie with matching keyboard.

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Re: Arp 2600 Value, price and functionality

Post by Automatic Gainsay » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:39 pm

Explorer wrote:Image I payed 6000 USD for a MINT condition ARP 2600 Gray Meanie with matching keyboard.
People, look! That is a Grey Meanie!
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Re: Arp 2600 Value, price and functionality

Post by Automatic Gainsay » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:46 pm

Stab Frenzy wrote:
Automatic Gainsay wrote:I sold my 44- space (not entirely filled) dot com to buy my ARP 2600 several years ago. My dot com blew my ARP 2600 away in regard to functionality.
I just did a little number crunching, and I think you could get what a 2600 has with a dot com for under $5000.
What exactly is the 2600 spec? 3 VCOs, 1 LFO, 1 Noise, 1 Ring Mod, 1 Spring Reverb, 1 S&H, 1 ADSR, 1 AR, 2 VCAs and a couple of mixers (panning)?

I wonder what you could do in Eurorack to get that? STG do the post-lawsuit filter which is supposed to be pretty accurate, it's the same as the original circuit I believe.
Here's the loose structure I used... it's not exact because I had to adapt to fit what Synthesizers.com offers:

three oscillators 195.00 x 3
one filter 136.00
mixer 81.00
s&H 92.00
voltage processor 80.00
noise 65.00
envelope 92.00
envelope 92.00
reverb 136.00
envelope follower (instrument interface) 92.00
VCA 97.00
mult 58.00
ringmod 105.00
mixer 81.00
keyboard 450.00
power modules 175.00 92.00
slew limiter 80.00
pan/fade 105.00
case (portable) 225.00

I only used three oscs because that's what mine has. If you wanted an LFO, you'd have to add $195 for another osc because Synthesizers.com doesn't have a distinct LFO.
I added the panning module to represent the panning ability of the 2600, but that was kind of weak.
I just used two ADSRs, as Synthesizers.com doesn't have an AR.

I don't know very much about Eurorack, but you could probably do the same thing with them. I didn't think the dotcom ladder filter was very Moogy when I owned it, but it may have just been prejudice on my part... even listening back to my own demo of it once I no longer had it, I felt I was being too hardcore. So, if the same thing exists in Eurorack, it'd probably be close enough for most.
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Re: Arp 2600 Value, price and functionality

Post by hyphen nation » Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:37 pm

Explorer wrote: Image

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Re: Arp 2600 Value, price and functionality

Post by Explorer » Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:10 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Good luck to the topicstarter on his search for a good example.

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Re: Arp 2600 Value, price and functionality

Post by guitarsandsynths » Sat Mar 19, 2011 6:38 pm

shaft9000 wrote:
And we're not even CLOSE to the nutiness that is vintage guitars.....$50K for a '57 Les Paul, anyone? It will happen with an RA Minimoog or two, I am sure.
I hear you brother! I hope my synths will pay my daughters college!!!!! :lol:
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Re: Arp 2600 Value, price and functionality

Post by shaft9000 » Sat Mar 19, 2011 9:24 pm

keep your synths and get a scholarship, i say. tut, tut.
you guys are probably 'mexican enough' !
most white people in USA (and consequently most admissions officers) assume that the entire South American continent is "like Mexico" so it's worth a shot, eh? :D

apologizing if that isn't amusing to the mexicans of VSE - in advance
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Re: Arp 2600 Value, price and functionality

Post by Automatic Gainsay » Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:03 am

hyphen nation wrote:
Explorer wrote: Image

Want.
Real.
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You want real bad until your repair tech has to open it up. :)
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Re: Arp 2600 Value, price and functionality

Post by 3rdConstruction » Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:30 pm

The 2600 is a beautiful instrument. I've wanted one for a long long time. If I every manage to save up $5k, it'll take so long they'll be going for $100k by that time.

I think Meatballfulton, Stab Frenzy & Automatic Gainsay have the right idea. I am amazed that there are so many boutique modular manufacturers around now. As I try to piece funds together, I'll set my sights on building a modular.

Farewell 2600, you're now a museum piece and collector's fantasy. :hi:
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Re: Arp 2600 Value, price and functionality

Post by Automatic Gainsay » Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:29 pm

3rdConstruction wrote:I think Meatballfulton, Stab Frenzy & Automatic Gainsay have the right idea. I am amazed that there are so many boutique modular manufacturers around now. As I try to piece funds together, I'll set my sights on building a modular.
I have to confess that I very much like the sound of the 2600 over my far-more-powerful modular, which is why I was willing to sacrifice functionality for sound. However, many are not afflicted with the obsessive tone-worship I am burdened with.
For less than a 2600, you could be sitting in front of a vast black wall of Synthesizers.com knobs, and have amazing functionality and great sound. Also, Synthesizers.com's products are very durable, well-made, and new. If you have a problem with a module, they will bend over backward to fix it. It's a good way to go.
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Re: Arp 2600 Value, price and functionality

Post by shaft9000 » Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:51 pm

i'll second that to some extent.
if you want the truly vintage tone, then you accept all the warts and troubles that will bring.
i even still use the old crappy 2600 keyboard despite it needing an hour to warmup and stabilize, it triggers a bit erratically and not always 'arrives' exactly on the note. but it gets the genuine vibe, wheras using my Voyager or (shudder) MIDI controller it sounds less so.
otoh my Eurorack at times will sound near-indistinguishable doing FX- especially when using lowpass gates and a throaty-fuzzy filter like SEM20...but does not have the characteristic stamp of the 2600's way of easing in-and-out of modulation. The slider/attenuator layout on the 2600 makes much of the difference.
2600s have a unique 'rubbery clang' tone to them that is characteristic; bass is often 'thunderous'. Can also pluck like nobody's business, and yet the EGs are not very "sharp' at all...sounds tend to bounce a lot with that rubbery filter... "boing boing glurgle gurgle shhhwoooop".... !
Also a "reedy" high-freq personality - some sizzle with what resembles a constant subtle filter-FM not typically present in Moogs, making for a slightly more woodwind-y sound with leads.
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Re: Arp 2600 Value, price and functionality

Post by bochelli » Thu Mar 24, 2011 12:53 am

The days of buying a Arp for under $3000 are long gone, like Kraftwerks 1st 2 albums history, even faulty ones are hard to find, i think you should have bought one 5yrs ago,i bought one off ebay uk last year for £2800 with tonus badge missing the filter board,im having the filter done free but i still paid good money for it, i can see them fetching $20,000 in time and if you want my view they are worth every cent, nothing sounds like a 2600 but a 2600.
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Re: Arp 2600 Value, price and functionality

Post by 3rdConstruction » Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:59 am

I agree wholeheartedly that the 2600 is a fantastic synth with a beautiful and distinctive tone. Sure, nothing sounds like a 2600, absolutely. And nothing sounds like a minimoog, or an Oberheim SEM or a CS-80. Doesn't mean there aren't other beautiful tones to be made or heard. A Stradivarius is not the only beautiful sounding violin, and if all violinists sat around sighing over Strads on eBay, there'd be a whole lot less violin music being made.
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