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what synth would compliment a JP8000 and an AN1x

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 8:40 pm
by DLovas
im into trance production - and i currently own a JP8000 and a JV1080 from roland and an AN1x from Yamaha - i've been checking out tons of synths - one of em the Roland D50 - and i was wondering if you think the D50 would add anything to the table that I dont already have. Its got that signature sound - and its affordable (500-600) however i feel as if i am lacking true analogue sound among my machines. Any suggestions?

D50 DEMO


JP8000 DEMO


AN1x DEMO

Re: what synth would compliment a JP8000 and an AN1x

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 9:32 pm
by balma
You already have two vintage Virtual Analog keyboards with a good sound. I had a JP8080 and it's a superb VA for classic trance and stuff, is the same than yours but the the JP8000 is 8 poly only. I don't think you need a Real Analog for trance stuff for the moment. Get a phrase sampler or a drum machine based in samples in order to be able to constantly increase your palette sound with drums, or beat loop phrases.
In that way you will be able to get a huge variety of sounds and layering your both VAs to create rich sounds, or to add subtle background noises based on the infinite world of sampling.

Well I see you have Omnisphere, that's a f**k amazing software for almost any kind of pads.

Or get something groovy. Drum machines with lots of tweaks. That Arturia Spark rocks if you have several drum/percussion-based softsynths

Also if you are lucky to get a E-mu Command Station PK7, that's the heaven of drum and percussions, very versatile for any kind of drum sequencing, very detailed, tons of drums, huge poly (128) and programmable tweaks

Re: what synth would compliment a JP8000 and an AN1x

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 9:43 pm
by dhollmusik
balma wrote: Get something groovy. Drum machines with lots of tweaks.
That's good advice. Loads of knobby hardware options:

- Korg EMX-1
- Elektron (not sure which one but they are often recommended)
- Jomox XBase09 (or for more sounds the Airbase99 + midi-knob controller)
- Quasimidi 309 (Rave-o-lution)
- Yamaha DX200 (DX-synthesis...requires editor for deeper synthesis)

Also think about an analog monosynth. This is a fascinating world and there are loads of great-value options. Such synths are used most often for cutting, thick leads and basses to complement your VA sounds...Loads of choices, all affordable:

- Doepfer Dark Energy
- Doepfer MS-404
- Moog Prodigy
- Yamaha CS5
- Future Retro Revolution

plus many more...

Re: what synth would compliment a JP8000 and an AN1x

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 9:53 pm
by dhollmusik
Here is an example of what I think is an analogue monosynth as trancy lead line from this 1997 trance track (from 4:05 the lead line begins to play):



As you can hear it has massive juicy presence, it's put through some digital multi-fx for added tranceness :D

Re: what synth would compliment a JP8000 and an AN1x

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:31 pm
by balma
Those are good recommendations, but some of them are out of his budget (500-600) like the Jomox or the Elektrons

EMX is a great little synth and very handy for sequencing; but I don't think is trance oriented. It's more for progressive/ house or minimal stuff.

Re: what synth would compliment a JP8000 and an AN1x

Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:41 pm
by DLovas
dhollmusik wrote:Here is an example of what I think is an analogue monosynth as trancy lead line from this 1997 trance track (from 4:05 the lead line begins to play):



As you can hear it has massive juicy presence, it's put through some digital multi-fx for added tranceness :D
yea AVB is the man - something like that would be great. Also - i have an EMX-1 but i unlisted it from my gear because i hate it and want to sell it. It seems like a toy compared to my other stuff. Ill check out the other stuff though.

Re: what synth would compliment a JP8000 and an AN1x

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 1:14 am
by dhollmusik
balma wrote:Those are good recommendations, but some of them are out of his budget (500-600) like the Jomox or the Elektrons
The XBase can be had for between €300-€400, and the Elektron Machinedrum for €500-€600. DLovas said his budget was 500-600. Maybe if he is from USA then it's a weaker currency, and as we discussed in my thread we established European-made synths are much more expensive for USA people.

I don't know how much they go for in USA, maybe he can investigate.

DLovas wrote:i have an EMX-1 but i unlisted it from my gear because i hate it and want to sell it. It seems like a toy compared to my other stuff. Ill check out the other stuff though.
When you say seems like a toy do you mean the sound, or the physical aspect? Or the functions? Maybe you mean a combination of all. I don't think you need a hardware sequencer as you have your software, but having one on a drum synth is massive fun and encourages playing.

If you can afford it, try the drum machine + monosynth route. The famous combination is the Roland TB-303 + TR-808/909 but these are way overpriced these days. I know many Berlin professional techno producers swear by the Elektron Machinedrum, I don't know any who use an Electribe. So in that case:

Elektron Machinedrum + Doepfer Dark Energy.

Buy one now...save your money to buy the other one later...sell the Electribe to help funds.

Check it:




Re: what synth would compliment a JP8000 and an AN1x

Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 1:21 am
by DLovas
thanks for the help guys

Re: what synth would compliment a JP8000 and an AN1x

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:04 pm
by samuraipizzacat29
just browsing this thread and realized that no one mentioned evolver desktop. it's right in your budget ($350-$450 on ebay). You already have plenty of keybed/controllers for it with the jp and an1x. it'll give you the "real" analog sound you're after, plus a world of distortion your other synths can't touch (an1x is good for that, but more in the "lead" department than just crazy distortion like the evolver). Plus you have 1x16 sequencers which you don't have on your other gear.
I've never had a d-50, but I would think the jv1080 you already have would cover a lot of "similar" sonic ground. Therefore, I'd go some form of analog for basslines or a sampler like has already been mentioned. Maschine would probably be a great addition.

Re: what synth would compliment a JP8000 and an AN1x

Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:07 pm
by DLovas
samuraipizzacat29 wrote:just browsing this thread and realized that no one mentioned evolver desktop. it's right in your budget ($350-$450 on ebay). You already have plenty of keybed/controllers for it with the jp and an1x. it'll give you the "real" analog sound you're after, plus a world of distortion your other synths can't touch (an1x is good for that, but more in the "lead" department than just crazy distortion like the evolver). Plus you have 1x16 sequencers which you don't have on your other gear.
I've never had a d-50, but I would think the jv1080 you already have would cover a lot of "similar" sonic ground. Therefore, I'd go some form of analog for basslines or a sampler like has already been mentioned. Maschine would probably be a great addition.
The evolved seems like it could do the trick quite nicely... I'll check it out

ALSO - makin a new thread - MUCH MORE SPECIFIC with EVERYTHING I'm considering. ill upload link when i make it