505/606/626/707?

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Re: 505/606/626/707?

Post by Stab Frenzy » Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:10 am

powerhibiki wrote:Hello again, another question: 606 or 707? What should I get for my first drum machine?

From my research, 606 sounds better due to being analog, but has less sounds. 707 has the LCD screen, a few more sounds, and is digital. prices are about the same so that's negligible.

Please help me decide, between a 606 and 707!
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Re: 505/606/626/707?

Post by powerhibiki » Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:45 am

Stab Frenzy, do you think it would be crazy to go for something like an MC-505 or MC-909? I know they are newer drum machines and they are also full baseline synths as well. And honestly, it seems like the price is not much different than for a much older 707 or 606... Are they good machines, worth getting? And if so, which would you go for, mc-505 or mc-909? I am very lost about all of this, so please forgive my ignorance. This is all very new to me, so I am overwhelmed by all the jargon and options. I am ultimately a guitar player trying to break into electronic music. I appreciate all of this help.

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Re: 505/606/626/707?

Post by phesago » Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:08 am

powerhibiki wrote:Stab Frenzy, do you think it would be crazy to go for something like an MC-505 or MC-909? I know they are newer drum machines and they are also full baseline synths as well. And honestly, it seems like the price is not much different than for a much older 707 or 606... Are they good machines, worth getting? And if so, which would you go for, mc-505 or mc-909? I am very lost about all of this, so please forgive my ignorance. This is all very new to me, so I am overwhelmed by all the jargon and options. I am ultimately a guitar player trying to break into electronic music. I appreciate all of this help.

mc909 is like a workstation drum machine of sorts. Very kool if you are patient enough to get those cool results. Make sense? The other older more narrow drum machine are more like intruments(kind of) with a small amount of expressiveness and LARGELY intuitive/does one thing very well. From my experience, I keep two drum machine around, 1 for utility and 1 for sound/girth/ease of use, and it suits me very well. I keep my 808+vermona drm mk3(i lied i keep three, but i consider these two to be one "instrument now, as I use them together to give sounds more depth) and a machinedrum. They are both totally different and they fill gaps in my "flow" that the other is completely incapable of doing. Want real advice? JUst buy one and play with it. If it works, keep it. If not sell it and try something else. We've all been through the buy/try/sell phase and it is most likely to yield the results through experience.


WIth all this being said, you will fall in love with the old style roland drum machines.

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Re: 505/606/626/707?

Post by c-level » Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:44 am

my question is:

A: 707 - cheapest x0x with CV/Gate

or

B: 606 cheapest analog x0x with possibilites for modding.....

?

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Re: 505/606/626/707?

Post by powerhibiki » Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:51 am

what is CV/Gate ?

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Re: 505/606/626/707?

Post by powerhibiki » Thu Apr 04, 2013 4:07 am

And thank you Phesago, for your response, very helpful.

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Re: 505/606/626/707?

Post by ninja6485 » Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:24 am

The analog-ness of the 606 does not make it sound better than the 707. They are on equal footing. As others pointed out, it's apples and oranges. Do you want more of the 808 vibe, or 909 vibe? The 707 is the better choice if you have only one because you get midi, more sounds, individual outputs and the little mixer section. It's nice having the rides, crash, claps, stick, etc. Then again, my first drum machine (if you don't count maschine) was a 606, and It will always occupy a special place in my heart. Both of those machines have superb high hats. I actually find the 606 and 707 to surpass the 808 and 909 in that dept. Respectively, despite the added controls.
This looks like a psychotropic reaction. No wonder it's so popular...

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Re: 505/606/626/707?

Post by pflosi » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:50 am

The 707 does not have "cv/gate" - only a trigger out (on the rimshot). All Roland X0X have some trigger out or another (except the 505).

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Re: 505/606/626/707?

Post by space6oy » Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:44 pm

powerhibiki wrote:what is CV/Gate ?
http://www.vintagesynth.com/resources/glossary.php
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Re: 505/606/626/707?

Post by phesago » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:11 pm

ninja6485 wrote:The analog-ness of the 606 does not make it sound better than the 707. They are on equal footing. As others pointed out, it's apples and oranges. Do you want more of the 808 vibe, or 909 vibe? The 707 is the better choice if you have only one because you get midi, more sounds, individual outputs and the little mixer section. It's nice having the rides, crash, claps, stick, etc. Then again, my first drum machine (if you don't count maschine) was a 606, and It will always occupy a special place in my heart. Both of those machines have superb high hats. I actually find the 606 and 707 to surpass the 808 and 909 in that dept. Respectively, despite the added controls.
A 606 does have some sick a*s hats. A modded 606 is on par with a 808 IMO. I almost traded out my 808 for a heavily modded 606 because the modded 606 had 4 trig outs. I wish that deal hadnt fell through :/

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Re: 505/606/626/707?

Post by powerhibiki » Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:23 am

Is there a reason that groove boxes like the yamaha RM1x/DX200/RS7000, Roland Mc-505/909 are packed with so many features, and are in the same general price range as something like a tr-606/707? Is it just the vintage factor? Is it something about quality? From what I've found Mc-505/909 seem to have all sort of things go wrong with them and need a lot of replacements, etc. But are all groove boxes like that, the yamaha ones included? Thanks guys.

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Re: 505/606/626/707?

Post by space6oy » Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:48 am

yup, simply the vintage factor and the newer ones have more capabilities.

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Re: 505/606/626/707?

Post by powerhibiki » Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:57 am

are the yamaha machines i mentioned known to develop all sorts of issues, break down etc?

Would it be more wise to get something like a new rm1x, or just go for a simple old tr-707?

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Re: 505/606/626/707?

Post by space6oy » Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:05 am

there wouldn't be more wisdom in either of those than in the other. simply preference.

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Re: 505/606/626/707?

Post by Stab Frenzy » Fri Apr 05, 2013 4:49 am

powerhibiki wrote:Stab Frenzy, do you think it would be crazy to go for something like an MC-505 or MC-909? I know they are newer drum machines and they are also full baseline synths as well. And honestly, it seems like the price is not much different than for a much older 707 or 606... Are they good machines, worth getting? And if so, which would you go for, mc-505 or mc-909? I am very lost about all of this, so please forgive my ignorance. This is all very new to me, so I am overwhelmed by all the jargon and options. I am ultimately a guitar player trying to break into electronic music. I appreciate all of this help.
The MC series and RM1x are a lot more than drum machines, they're full production workstations. The reason people spend as much on something like a 606 as you can get an MC-909 for is just because the 606 is more fashionable.

Personally I think if you want something that's analogue the DR-110 is a better buy than the 606. If you just want something that is useful then something digital with samples is much better. The MPC1000/2500 is one of the best drum machines out there in my opinion, and it's also a great sampler and sequencer.

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