16 channel mixer with 16 direct outs (post fader)

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16 channel mixer with 16 direct outs (post fader)

Post by phesago » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:53 pm

does this exist? I keep finding larger mixers easily but I dont want a 32 channel b/c its waaaay to big, and i dont want to use inserts for obvious reasons


there is Mackie 1642-VLZ which has 8 direct outs but i need more.


Any ideaS?

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Re: 16 channel mixer with 16 direct outs (post fader)

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Re: 16 channel mixer with 16 direct outs (post fader)

Post by phesago » Sat Jul 16, 2016 6:55 pm

oooo this looks interesting. on board effects too. Any idea if the fx/eq sound good?

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Re: 16 channel mixer with 16 direct outs (post fader)

Post by Psy_Free » Sun Jul 17, 2016 8:46 am

No idea. I'm in the market for a new 16 track mixer myself & stumbled across this. It does have the same processor as the Lexicon MX500 so should be fairly decent. I usually use outboard effects myself so built in effects are less of a concern for me.
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Re: 16 channel mixer with 16 direct outs (post fader)

Post by ItsMeOnly » Sun Jul 17, 2016 5:11 pm

phesago wrote:does this exist? I keep finding larger mixers easily but I dont want a 32 channel b/c its waaaay to big, and i dont want to use inserts for obvious reasons
Out of curiosity, whty so many direct-outs? Are you going live most of the time?

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Re: 16 channel mixer with 16 direct outs (post fader)

Post by phesago » Sun Jul 17, 2016 10:12 pm

ItsMeOnly wrote:
phesago wrote:does this exist? I keep finding larger mixers easily but I dont want a 32 channel b/c its waaaay to big, and i dont want to use inserts for obvious reasons
Out of curiosity, whty so many direct-outs? Are you going live most of the time?
Well there's quite a few reasons.

One I need to multi track in daw
Two I enjoy level setting both pre and post daw
three aux sends are not a pain in the a*s on the mixer, where as they take up I/O on the interface (i may have 24 but its valuable space)
four speaking of aux sends grouping and and main outs out of the mixer give a good options of effects sends too (like for example muting indivual out but still having it show up in the main out with an effects send or vice versa).
five i enjoy eq's on my mackie 32 8 bus, hopefully this one has as good a eq processing
6 i do enjoy the feel of a hardware mixer and interacting with one while working
7 i enjoy the pointless amount of extra cables needed LOL

I hope thats enough of reasons why one might want one?

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Re: 16 channel mixer with 16 direct outs (post fader)

Post by Stab Frenzy » Sun Jul 17, 2016 11:48 pm

Look at the Midas Venice mixers, if you like the 8-bus EQ the Venice will blow your mind.

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Post by ItsMeOnly » Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:02 pm

phesago wrote:One I need to multi track in daw
Two I enjoy level setting both pre and post daw[...]

I hope thats enough of reasons why one might want one?
Actually... no? Especially that you mentioned DAW when you now can "virtualize" buses in digital domain. It still puzzles me why do you need to record every channel separately - that's why I asked whether you're recording live - because IMHO only then such ridiculous number of buses would make any sense.

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Re: 16 channel mixer with 16 direct outs (post fader)

Post by phesago » Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:13 am

ItsMeOnly wrote:
phesago wrote:One I need to multi track in daw
Two I enjoy level setting both pre and post daw[...]

I hope thats enough of reasons why one might want one?
Actually... no? Especially that you mentioned DAW when you now can "virtualize" buses in digital domain. It still puzzles me why do you need to record every channel separately - that's why I asked whether you're recording live - because IMHO only then such ridiculous number of buses would make any sense.
i guess im tech stupid :|

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Re: 16 channel mixer with 16 direct outs (post fader)

Post by pflosi » Wed Jul 20, 2016 4:52 pm

It's a "philosophy" question. See this long Muffs thread (although about included ADC) that has people from both sides scratching their heads...

Apart from that, yes +1 on Stabs suggestion for the (older) Midas Venice series. I'm doing just that with a Venice 160. I mostly record a combination of busses and direct outs with it, depending on the instruments. In combination with a high channel count ADC, it's a great workflow.

If you wanna spend less cash, but also compromise slightly in terms of quality, look at the older Tascam mixers - e.g. M30, M35, 106, etc. Basically, what you want is a nice inline mixer - and those are cheap and kinda "charismatic" options.

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Re: 16 channel mixer with 16 direct outs (post fader)

Post by jxalex » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:49 pm

phesago wrote:does this exist? I keep finding larger mixers easily but I dont want a 32 channel b/c its waaaay to big, and i dont want to use inserts for obvious reasons


there is Mackie 1642-VLZ which has 8 direct outs but i need more.


Any ideaS?
You just make it yourself. Its easy -- just find where is the fader center tap and you take a wire from it. and add the connectors as you wish. No harm done and this upgrade doing yourself costs ca $2 per channel. :) Or be my guest you can add a buffer between in a form of OPamp just before the direct out socket.
I modified this way my own 16-channel mixers which have only 8 channels direct outs.

Also I added pre-fader noise gate circuits to every input or aux return channel.

I prefer too the 16-channel mixers becouse I can accomodate this way easier -- one to the left, another to the right of my computer screen and third behind it... ;)

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