Synth for 8/16 bit sounds.

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Re: Synth for 8/16 bit sounds.

Postby ninja6485 » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:08 pm

madtheory wrote:Exhibit A: the age of this thread and the OP's lack of commitment.
To be fair, no one really knows what the c**p the OP is trying to tell us he or she wants. It's like trying to get the scoop from Lassie: "What's that boy? There's some analog video game sounds down at the old mill? It's an aN1x? Lead the way!"

Subsequently, the thread's pretty much derailed into related, and frankly more interesting topics. Hence OP abandonment.
This looks like a psychotropic reaction. No wonder it's so popular...
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Re: Synth for 8/16 bit sounds.

Postby madtheory » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:33 pm

Fair enough :)
commodorejohn wrote:I'm not saying analog modelling doesn't work (for varying definitions of "work.") I'm saying that calling it a false dichotomy (i.e. a distinction drawn where none exists) is absurd and counter-factual.

And I'm saying that, at the very least, the line is blurred, when you're using "digital" technology to replicate "analogue sound". Like, what exactly IS analogue sound? Can we separate it from the UI and all of the history and mythology and iconicism of these instruments? Can we tell Monark from an original MiniMoog in a blind listening test? Is that a pointless test because the UI is so important? Lots more questions like that can be asked, and context is everything.

So, digital and analogue are too broad and simplistic. And hence, false.
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Re: Synth for 8/16 bit sounds.

Postby commodorejohn » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:35 pm

Perhaps so. It just doesn't change anything about the fundamental nature of either, is all.
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Re: Synth for 8/16 bit sounds.

Postby madtheory » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:37 pm

commodorejohn wrote:Perhaps so. It just doesn't change anything about the fundamental nature of either, is all.

Oops, I edited it...
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Re: Synth for 8/16 bit sounds.

Postby commodorejohn » Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:34 am

madtheory wrote:Can we tell Monark from an original MiniMoog in a blind listening test? Is that a pointless test because the UI is so important?

No, it's a pointless test because perception changes nothing about the undeniable facts of the matter.

Again, if you want to say that there's no practical difference in a recording situation, well, I think I might disagree with you, but it's a matter of opinion and open for debate, fair enough. However, to argue that there is no distinction when the core methods of sound generation between the two are completely different (whatever's controlling them, and whether or not there's a noticeable impact on the end result) is provably false. That an analog synthesizer uses a different method of sound generation than a digital one is a matter of objective fact; opinion and perception have nothing to do with it.
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Re: Synth for 8/16 bit sounds.

Postby madtheory » Fri Dec 09, 2016 10:09 am

Again, that's not what I'm arguing. You're classifying them like an EE, which is not the context most people understand (but think they do). The original point was made in the context of perception. That is how most people classify because they're not engineers. VSTs were rejected because they're digital. Even though an analogue modelling VST does what the artist requires.
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Re: Synth for 8/16 bit sounds.

Postby Ashe37 » Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:25 pm

no, you can't get them for free online.
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Re: Synth for 8/16 bit sounds.

Postby Ashe37 » Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:30 pm

If you're wondering where your replies went, midi2, we don't support condone or discuss software piracy here.
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Re: Synth for 8/16 bit sounds.

Postby Music Bird » Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:16 am

I guess I'll buy Nexus, Komplete and Arturia Analog Lab with a midi controller (one that I could also attach to an iPad).
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Re: Synth for 8/16 bit sounds.

Postby squatski » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:11 am

page 5 and no mention of elektron sidstation!!!??? :o

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Re: Synth for 8/16 bit sounds.

Postby clubbedtodeath » Sat Dec 24, 2016 1:27 am

squatski wrote:page 5 and no mention of elektron sidstation!!!??? :o

Sorry man, beat you to it.
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Re: Synth for 8/16 bit sounds.

Postby squatski » Sat Dec 24, 2016 2:09 am

shiii you're right lol i'll take that back then :lol:
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Re: Synth for 8/16 bit sounds.

Postby ian » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:41 pm

Music Bird wrote:I guess I'll buy Nexus, Komplete and Arturia Analog Lab with a midi controller (one that I could also attach to an iPad).


Not sure that you would want a Nexus, as android still has not solved their latency issues, unfortunately.
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Re: Synth for 8/16 bit sounds.

Postby ninja6485 » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:55 pm

ian wrote:
Music Bird wrote:I guess I'll buy Nexus, Komplete and Arturia Analog Lab with a midi controller (one that I could also attach to an <a class="vglnk" target="_blank" href="http://www.walmart.com/cp/Apple-iPad/1092747" rel="nofollow"><span>iPad</span></a>).


Not sure that you would want a Nexus, as android still has not solved their latency issues, unfortunately.
For Pete's sake man, don't nurture the indecision in this thread! It's taken months to get this far!
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Re: Synth for 8/16 bit sounds.

Postby ian » Fri Dec 30, 2016 11:59 pm

The suggestion I posted earlier in this thread was meant only as a "taste/interface test" for the OP, to see if they really wanted to go in the direction they seemed to have a murky preconception of, before they spent a lot of money buying gear, that they may or may not have not been sure that they wanted; and, in rereading this thread it has become clear to me that Music Bird may have been/be operating in a purely hypothetical space, which is fine because this thread has become interesting and informative in it's own right. "FREE BIRD!"

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