A new Sampler/Grooverbox

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A new Sampler/Grooverbox

Postby Mikelundy » Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:50 pm

Hello everyone,

I need your advice to replace my actual groovebox : Electribe 2 Sampler.

It's a good machine to start with. Its really intuitive and allowed me to be introduced to hardware, making full tracks on it and stop losing time on Ableton where I was distracted by too many plugins / sound available.
I just feel it lack in term of audio quality. For example low become fast muddy and imprecise, (hard to associate kick and bass without it dribble from everywhere) and the high (cymbal, charley etc.) lot of aliasing, not really good effects - who add more aliasing (sensation of crenelage and numeric artefact…) maybe its due to the quality of the convertor I dont know.
I think I just need a more punchy sampler. (I owned a TR-8, DX100, Korg KPR-77, but was still going back to my Electribe. It just suit better my workflow : having everything in one stand alone machine and being able to switch from project to project)…

I have readed a lot about what's were available from old machine to new one.
I never tryied it but I like the ideas of old sampler who add grain/color to the samples.
(thinking about 12/16bit sampler s900/950, EMU-EMAX II, EPS16, MPC60… but these machine got a lot of cons : either too low sampling memory, keyboard based, rack… Is there a standalone groovebox that got the color/punch of those old sampler? It would be associated with my Mackie MS-1202 (used for analogue distortion) and an Alesis 3630 compressor.

My reasearch lead me on :
- ASR-X (I’ve read sequencer is bad but I can still do it with ableton).
- Yamaha RS7000
- Roland MV8000/8800 (doesn’t sample in low bitrate)
- MPC Renaissance?

More expensive but maybe save for a :
- Analog Rythm
- Spectralis (Not sure about this one, wont need the synth engine… On my electribe I wasn't using at all the waveforms osc)

My choice for the moment is more on the ASR-X / ASR-X Pro, i’ve read so good review on it.

Linking some examples of sound I render I would like to reach

- D-Knox ‎- Meditation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcUQK_ENb6g
- Greg Beato - When Monkeys Attack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PuusC0RM-U (I know he saves to tape, would help for the warmer sound…)
- Dana Kelley - Armageddon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1mlywv59lA
- DJ Trebluf - Strikin In Da Hood (look like dr660 sound) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwTFY5lLre8
- DJ Baby Pop - WICKI STIK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwKmChmAfW4
- Terrence Dixon - Midnight Hours (I know TD is an MC-303 user) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUzdegIbKes
- Robert Armani - Kick Off https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCEX1HAenGc

Really heavy drums, dirty and distorted.
I'am not going to samples records, will mostly use sampled drums, bass and some hit, tone sound (downloaded online).

Hope i've been accurate on my demand,
Thanks in advance !
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Re: A new Sampler/Grooverbox

Postby ninja6485 » Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:02 pm

Mikelundy wrote:I just feel it lack in term of audio quality. For example low become fast muddy and imprecise, (hard to associate kick and bass without it dribble from everywhere) and the high (cymbal, charley etc.) lot of aliasing, not really good effects - who add more aliasing (sensation of crenelage and numeric artefact…) maybe its due to the quality of the convertor I dont know.
It kind of sounds like it might be something you're doing, as opposed to the sampler. Are you using stereo samples for your kick and bass? Try switching them to mono. And if you choose samples with competing frequencies that are panned to the same place, they're going to fight each other. You might end up with the same problems no matter what you use if your source material is dodgy, or if you're basic mixing/ layering techniques are underdeveloped. Comb filtering can also be a problem here. Your 3630 can also bring some stuffy character to the sound. I'm surprised the electribe 2 isn't relatively transparent.

Otherwise, some one brought up the boss sp505 in another thread, which looks cool, and then there's the classic MPC series beyond the mpc 60, although the Renaissance is going to tie you to a computer, and if you do that, maschine is an option.
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Re: A new Sampler/Grooverbox

Postby meatballfulton » Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:31 pm

It's going to cost you some serious money, but Akai has just announced new hardware MPCs.

Watch on youtube.com
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Re: A new Sampler/Grooverbox

Postby Percivale » Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:11 am

Elektron Digitak?
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