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Post by carbon111 » Mon Oct 23, 2006 8:40 pm

allusion wrote:If you like this synth for wavetable type synthesis, what do you think of this synth compared to the Komplexor by terratec?
The Micro Q emulation, Komplexor, is a nice VA with some extras but its by no means a wavetable synth. The 2 Wavetables with limited waves and limited scanning ranges are there just to taunt you - they're a "best of" from the XT. If you want a wavetable synth, get a PPG, a Fizmo, a MicrowaveXT or Massive. ;)
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Post by carbon111 » Mon Nov 13, 2006 1:13 am

Massive is now available as a downloadable DEMO for thoe who are curious to try it out on their own system:

http://www.native-instruments.com/index ... massive_us
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Post by hey_timj » Mon Nov 13, 2006 2:08 am

carbon111 wrote:Massive is now available as a downloadable DEMO for thoe who are curious to try it out on their own system:

http://www.native-instruments.com/index ... massive_us
h**l yeah, i got the demo. i can't believe how good it sounds.... software is really taking off.
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Post by wilsontherocker » Mon Nov 13, 2006 4:09 am

carbon111 wrote:
Sorry, Piggy, everybody has recommended Zebra to me...nice enough interface, nice topology, but it sounds like c**p to me. Very much like Absynth only not so nice...I feel the same way about Z3TA+

One man's meat is another mans rotting donkey carcass.
I can understand this sentiment about Zebra 2. I don't think it sounds like poo, but I've been demoing it for a while and haven't "warmed" up to it sounds yet. I do like the interface, though.

What I'd really like is the free Zebralette that came with some german synth mag. I believe it just had four of Zebra's oscillators, but dang if they ain't some flexible oscillators.

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Post by cfernn » Mon Nov 13, 2006 9:38 pm

I've checked out the demo for a couple hours...

The thing I don't like too much is that without the effects it's not that impressive, sounds like another Reaktor ensemble. I love the interface though, reminds me of the Sytrus plugin, it's almost like they were inspired by that. ?

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Post by carbon111 » Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:21 am

cfernn wrote:I've checked out the demo for a couple hours...

The thing I don't like too much is that without the effects it's not that impressive, sounds like another Reaktor ensemble. I love the interface though, reminds me of the Sytrus plugin, it's almost like they were inspired by that. ?
I don't think it sounds like Reaktor - or any other NI product for that matter...which is kind of why I like it so much. ;)

According to the SOS article, they prototyped it in Reaktor but then, once they had the featureset set in stone, coded it from scratch in C.

If I had to say it sounded like anything, the nearest comparison I can find timbrally would be the Waldorf Q...its uncanny at times how close they come. The architectures are very similar plus the presence of comb filters reinforces the likeness as well...
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Post by Pighood » Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:15 am

Massive is about 12% as weird as the Q.

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Post by carbon111 » Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:41 am

Pighood wrote:Massive is about 12% as weird as the Q.
Except for the comb filters, the Q is just a rather full featured VA. One I really love for sure - I've had six years with it for god's sake. I'm even considering the plus version now that Nova will have a few.

Its not a wavetable synth, though, despite its two crippled tables.

The overall timbre of Massive is very similar to the Q - thats all I said.

Massive is simply the best wavetable synth its been my priveledge to use - it even edges out my Microwave which I have some small vested interest in:

http://www.carbon111.com/mwxt.html :D

If you want WEIRD...a wavetable synth can do timbral morphs you can't physically get from any sort of VA (or real "A"), no matter how nicely appointed. Period. Timbre isn't directly chained to the filter or any sort of static oscillators...you can't "fake" that :D
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Post by chamomileshark » Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:39 pm

This is really weird. I missed out on Microwave (ver1) in an aution a couple of weeks ago (I went as far as £275 then dropped out). I wanted the Microwave as I love the PPG, the Waldorf softsynth version is one of my favourites. I bid partly because of the material on Carbon's page. Then due to problems with NI registration they are giving it for free to KC2006 owners! I'm just trying it now, haven't found any PPG like sounds yet, but it looks as if what carbon says is true the Microwave is off my list.

Hmm..while I'm here, I've just ordered some PPG/VS EPROMs for my Blacet/Wiard miniwave..anyone else got them?

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Post by carbon111 » Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:20 am

Chamomileshark,
As wonderful as I think Massive is, it wont get you the "rough & tumble" sounds I associate with the Microwave1/2/XT or PPG synths...its much more "polite" than that because of the extreme smoothness of its wavetables. Massive is more like a Waldorf Q/MicroQ with a proper set of wavetables nailed on - which, as you can see from my statements, is not a bad thing. I still love the grittier sounds associated with the others - I'll never sell my XT!!! :D
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Post by Pighood » Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:21 am

It's growing on me quickly.

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Post by Shleed » Sun Dec 10, 2006 12:35 pm

Just got it yesterday (As well as Absynth 4 and FM8, never installed them yet), can't believe how good it is! Ultra dirty leads to spaced-out pads, and IMO it's quite easy to program too. :D

Shame it takes 80% of my CPU usage, but it's time I need an upgrade anyway.. :lol: Definitely worth the purchase.

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Post by Bitexion » Sun Dec 10, 2006 3:23 pm

Like all synths, even hardware synths, the presets are underwhelming and doesn't really show the "massive" part much. Only a few. You will appreciate it more as you start experimenting with the mod matrix and make your own fantasy sounds. Just piling oscillators on top of eachother and filter them gets boring quickly.

Computer Music also thought the presets were quite bad.
Just like most of the Alesis Ion and Andromeda presets suck.

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Post by ex_action_figure » Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:53 pm

I never really got the whole wavetable thing, I understand how it works but what are some examples of impressive sounds you can make with it?

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Post by carbon111 » Fri Dec 22, 2006 8:29 pm

ex_action_figure wrote:I never really got the whole wavetable thing, I understand how it works but what are some examples of impressive sounds you can make with it?
Listen to the bassline from Thomas Dolby's "Windpower" and you'll start to get the idea :D
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