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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:21 pm
by JSRockit
HrBak wrote: Still I think that Reaktor probably are one of the best packages you can get
It's gotta be better than Reason no>?

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:40 pm
by HrBak
I wouldn't know, I have only worked with Reason a few times and I think it somehow was to toyish.

Also I think it perhaps would be difficult to compare Reaktor to Reason. The way I see the two programs is that Reason are more of a plug and play and make a track thing(But I could be wrong), while I see Reaktor as a more experimental thing.

I would at any time choose Reaktor. The fx's section are very exciting to me.

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:49 am
by MarkM
Reason is a very nice all-in-one package. It has the sequencer and mixer all ready to go. There's quite a bit you can do with it. I'm not wild about the synths or the fact that you can't use vst's in it. The synths are adequate. I like the "CV" modulation aspect.

Reaktor is all about instruments and FX. It's instruments are far superior as well as its versatility. But you need a sequencer like Sonar or Cubase to do elaborate composing.

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:19 am
by spr
Reaktor is far more deep and complex than Reason. Although I would agree with MarkM, that it's advantageous to have a sequencer (Ableton Live should do quite nicely), you could easily record into Reaktor live, with the variety of tools and sequencers available (all at the cost of CPU overhead of course). Also, I will say that the "Reaktor sound" isn't easily identified anymore with version 4 and now especially 5.

When I first experienced Reaktor, I was absolutely floored. There is so much quality stuff in the factory ensembles and the user library, it's easy to get lost in them. I use it in virtually every project I work on. It's the most bang for the buck out of any softsynth IMO.

Here's some Reaktor 5 in action. This is exclusively programmed in a little synth called Oki Computer 2(which is kind of a SID chip emu), with no effects applied.
http://www.reaktions.com/compilations/m ... n-7819.mp3

These are also some older pieces that heavily feature Reaktor.
http://www.shawnprussell.com/media/catalyst.mp3
http://www.shawnprussell.com/media/Blac ... 20Rain.mp3

These examples are by no means supposed to display the full range of Reaktor's possibilities though! Hopefully it will be helpful to hear stuff in musical context.

Oh, and NI's new Massive wavetable synth (not to be confused with the beatbox/synth called Massive from Reaktor!) sounds phenomenal, but it's very demanding CPU-wise.

Good luck,
Shawn

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 2:56 pm
by JSRockit
spr wrote: Here's some Reaktor 5 in action. This is exclusively programmed in a little synth called Oki Computer 2(which is kind of a SID chip emu), with no effects applied.
http://www.reaktions.com/compilations/m ... n-7819.mp3

These are also some older pieces that heavily feature Reaktor.
http://www.shawnprussell.com/media/catalyst.mp3
http://www.shawnprussell.com/media/Blac ... 20Rain.mp3

These examples are by no means supposed to display the full range of Reaktor's possibilities though! Hopefully it will be helpful to hear stuff in musical context.
Thanks for the demos.... the Oki was one I was really interested in.

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:55 pm
by rivas3
spr wrote:Reaktor is far more deep and complex than Reason. Although I would agree with MarkM, that it's advantageous to have a sequencer (Ableton Live should do quite nicely), you could easily record into Reaktor live, with the variety of tools and sequencers available (all at the cost of CPU overhead of course). Also, I will say that the "Reaktor sound" isn't easily identified anymore with version 4 and now especially 5.

When I first experienced Reaktor, I was absolutely floored. There is so much quality stuff in the factory ensembles and the user library, it's easy to get lost in them. I use it in virtually every project I work on. It's the most bang for the buck out of any softsynth IMO.

Here's some Reaktor 5 in action. This is exclusively programmed in a little synth called Oki Computer 2(which is kind of a SID chip emu), with no effects applied.
http://www.reaktions.com/compilations/m ... n-7819.mp3

These are also some older pieces that heavily feature Reaktor.
http://www.shawnprussell.com/media/catalyst.mp3
http://www.shawnprussell.com/media/Blac ... 20Rain.mp3

These examples are by no means supposed to display the full range of Reaktor's possibilities though! Hopefully it will be helpful to hear stuff in musical context.

Oh, and NI's new Massive wavetable synth (not to be confused with the beatbox/synth called Massive from Reaktor!) sounds phenomenal, but it's very demanding CPU-wise.

Good luck,
Shawn

i was very impressed with your tracks spr. very gentle. ambient. im at work, its the morning, and they really put me in a peaceful state. thanks....
-rivas3

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 7:51 pm
by ThinkTanx
Yeah, spr, some pretty cool stuff there. Inspired me to whip up Oki to lay down some pads on a new beat we programmed a couple of nights ago. I haven't used Oki a lot. It is pretty cool, although I haven't quite wrapped my head around it yet. Got any tips?

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:59 pm
by spr
Thanks for the comments, they are much apprciated :)

As far as getting your head around Oki, it's a fairly straightforward wavetable synth. I'd recommend picking a simple patch (if you're using 2.1, the patch called "Simple" is good!), and starting from scratch. It might be a good idea to take the table sequencer out of the equation initially, just to get a feel for the different waveforms, modulation possibilities, bit reduction etc. It's a bit deceptive, because it seems small at first, but you can get alot out of this little beast. Don't forget to assign waves to the wavetable position bar just below the waveform display! You can edit each individual one to your heart's content. The table sequencer and the recordable cc 1 make this synth quite flexible.

Have fun,
Shawn

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 8:09 am
by Bill_Schroder
Do the sequencers on Reaktor send MIDI out? I would imagine they would. I would like to sequence my S-612 or Pro-One from one of the stranger step sequencers it has.

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:11 pm
by spr
Reaktor can send MIDI out, but only in standalone mode for some reason. If 16/44.1 is OK, you can record into Reaktor though. I sequence my synths with Reaktor, but I use my laptop and record into my RME card on my desktop, so I can get the bit rate I want. I wish I could do it in Cubase, but I don't believe it's possible at the moment.

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 7:56 pm
by JSRockit
spr wrote: If 16/44.1 is OK, you can record into Reaktor though. I sequence my synths with Reaktor, but I use my laptop and record into my RME card on my desktop, so I can get the bit rate I want. I wish I could do it in Cubase, but I don't believe it's possible at the moment.
If you use the reaktor modules as plugins, why wouldn't you be able to record in any DAW of your choice? What am I missing? I'd need to know this before buying? Also, how do you record using Reaktor only? Is there a recording module?

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:15 pm
by spr
You can record any audio Reaktor produces into your DAW, however, the issue I was referencing was the MIDI output using Reaktor as a plugin. For some reason, in VST mode, Reaktor won't output MIDI to another input. So if you wanted to use the output from an arpeggiator in Reaktor, and send it to the MIDI in of your AKAI in Cubase for example, it won't work. You would have to use Reaktor in standalone to send the MIDI, and record the audio however you could. Reaktor has no problems at all sending MIDI to itself however.

Reaktor has something called the recorder box, that is able to record output from your audio card, but the only drawback is that it records at 16/44.1.

But Reaktor functions as any other VST synth or effect. I was only pointing out that controlling hardware with Reaktor in Cubase isn't possible at the moment.

Hope that clears it up,
Shawn

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 9:52 pm
by JSRockit
Yes, that cleared it up...thanks.
spr wrote:You can record any audio Reaktor produces into your DAW, however, the issue I was referencing was the MIDI output using Reaktor as a plugin. For some reason, in VST mode, Reaktor won't output MIDI to another input. So if you wanted to use the output from an arpeggiator in Reaktor, and send it to the MIDI in of your AKAI in Cubase for example, it won't work. You would have to use Reaktor in standalone to send the MIDI, and record the audio however you could. Reaktor has no problems at all sending MIDI to itself however.

Reaktor has something called the recorder box, that is able to record output from your audio card, but the only drawback is that it records at 16/44.1.

But Reaktor functions as any other VST synth or effect. I was only pointing out that controlling hardware with Reaktor in Cubase isn't possible at the moment.

Hope that clears it up,
Shawn

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:33 am
by ThinkTanx
spr wrote:Thanks for the comments, they are much apprciated :)

As far as getting your head around Oki, it's a fairly straightforward wavetable synth. I'd recommend picking a simple patch (if you're using 2.1, the patch called "Simple" is good!), and starting from scratch. It might be a good idea to take the table sequencer out of the equation initially, just to get a feel for the different waveforms, modulation possibilities, bit reduction etc. It's a bit deceptive, because it seems small at first, but you can get alot out of this little beast. Don't forget to assign waves to the wavetable position bar just below the waveform display! You can edit each individual one to your heart's content. The table sequencer and the recordable cc 1 make this synth quite flexible.

Have fun,
Shawn
Yeah, there is a lot there, packed into a tight package. Very cool. I have been playing with it, getting some cool sounds. I finally just whipped out the manual and read up on it. Rather easily explained there.

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:09 pm
by JSRockit
How are the drum machines with built in sequencers?