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Any VSTI versions of these synths?

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:02 am
by rickyd
These are some hardware synths that I came on the main site and saw and had gained some interest in. I was just wondering if any of you guys know if there are any good (Close to the real thing, not shitty) VSTI versions of the following ones listed...

Casio CZ-1
Roland D-50
Casio VZ-1
Casio FZ-1
Yamaha V50
Yamaha SY-77
Korg DS-8
Roland D-10
Roland JD800
Roland JD990
korg 707
Korg 01/W
Korg MEX
Kawai K1
Roland Alpha Juno 2
Yamaha SY-22
Korg N364
Sequential Circuits ProphetVS
Korg X3
Korg 05R/W
Roland U-20
Roland D-70
Roland D-20
Roland JP-8000
Yamaha YS200

Sorry for the list being extensive. lol. I am aware that some of those synths cannot be emulated at all, but the ones that can, I wonder if there are any VSTI versions floating out there.

The VSTI's I currently have are

Korg Legacy Collection Digital - Korg M1 & Wavestation
Native Instruments - FM8 - with sysex from Yamaha DX7, DX11, DX 21, DX27/100, and TX81z
HAHAHA CS01 - Unofficial Yamaha CS01 emulation
SQ8L - Unofficial Ensoniq SQ 80 emulation
TAL-U-No-62 - Unofficial Roland Juno 62 emulation
Arturia - CS-80V - Yamaha CS-80 emulation
As well as a few cheap Casio CZ101 wanna-be clones.


PS. Please no rude comments. I am just asking an innocent question and not looking for an internet argument with anyone. Thank you.

Re: Any VSTI versions of these synths?

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:07 pm
by Umbe78
Years ago ReFX had a VST called JunoX, an emulation of Alpha Juno ... They discontinued after issues with Roland ... I used it and it was a very good emulation soundwise ..

I know Superwave P8 for JP8000 but I've never used it ... I have a real JP8000 :wink:

Re: Any VSTI versions of these synths?

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:48 pm
by rickyd
Umbe78 wrote:Years ago ReFX had a VST called JunoX, an emulation of Alpha Juno ... They discontinued after issues with Roland ... I used it and it was a very good emulation soundwise ..

I know Superwave P8 for JP8000 but I've never used it ... I have a real JP8000 :wink:


I did hear about the JunoX recently. It's a shame that it's gone. I never had a chance to take it out on a date. lol. j/k.

I just tried the Superwave P8 after seeing your post, and honestly, I hope the real thing doesnt sound like that. Alot of the presets are pretty much the same with maybe some variation and they are crappy. I know that you have to go deeper than presets to get something out of a synth but if at least some of the presets don't strike me then I'm not bothering with the synth. That's just me anyway.

Re: Any VSTI versions of these synths?

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 9:44 pm
by gcoudert
Arturia Prophet V is a recreation of both the Prophet 5 and Prophet VS and it's bl**dy good too. CPU hungry but I love it.

Re: Any VSTI versions of these synths?

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:10 pm
by Yoozer
rickyd wrote: Casio CZ-1
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/303.html

You already have emulations for the others.

It's not that those can't be emulated; in the case of the sample-based synthesizers it's simply a matter of having these samples on disk instead of locked away in a ROM, but that's the entire problem with it; Roland/Yamaha/Korg will simply not give 'm away and no company can sell 'm without getting in trouble with Roland/Yamaha/Korg - even with something as antique and plastic-sounding as the D20.

Re: Any VSTI versions of these synths?

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:21 am
by stephen
Free Prophet VS - try Augur.
http://www.smartelectronix.com/

Re: Any VSTI versions of these synths?

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 8:03 am
by rickyd
Yoozer wrote:
rickyd wrote: Casio CZ-1
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/303.html

You already have emulations for the others.

It's not that those can't be emulated; in the case of the sample-based synthesizers it's simply a matter of having these samples on disk instead of locked away in a ROM, but that's the entire problem with it; Roland/Yamaha/Korg will simply not give 'm away and no company can sell 'm without getting in trouble with Roland/Yamaha/Korg - even with something as antique and plastic-sounding as the D20.
Yea, cant blame them for not wanting to sell their samples, but they could easily do the emulations of their ROM-based synths themselves, like what Korg did.

I read somewhere on this site I think, that the Roland D-50 couldnt be emulated in a software version though, because there was something in the components of the board that gave a certain character to the sound of it and that's why it couldnt be replicated (It was something on that order but don't quote me on this). I dunno how tru that is though.

gcoudert - thanks for pointing out the arturia version of the Prophet VS. It looks cool, I may have to pick one up.
stephen - I don't see that VSTI on that link you posted.

BTW - I have a side question to ask. Ok, I don't have a Roland D-50 (Want one really bad though), but there are patches and patch editors available on the net and I have a virtual MIDI keyboard, soooo would there be anyway I could still play those sounds through the patch editors, sorta using it as a VSTI, or is that not possible?

Excuse my ignorance but I'm not really all that experienced in this kind of stuff.

Re: Any VSTI versions of these synths?

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:07 pm
by Yoozer
rickyd wrote: I read somewhere on this site I think, that the Roland D-50 couldnt be emulated in a software version though, because there was something in the components of the board that gave a certain character to the sound of it and that's why it couldnt be replicated (It was something on that order but don't quote me on this). I dunno how tru that is though.
Rest assured; that's complete nonsense, as the VC-1 card for the V-Synth XT shows. It's a 100% digital synth; analog parts are what's hard to emulate. Which leads us to the D50's (old, not-so-stellar) DACs, and the insistence of people that the original sounds warmer (and "warmth" can be simulated with filtering high frequencies).

http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1066.html has the Augur by the way.
BTW - I have a side question to ask. Ok, I don't have a Roland D-50 (Want one really bad though), but there are patches and patch editors available on the net and I have a virtual MIDI keyboard, soooo would there be anyway I could still play those sounds through the patch editors, sorta using it as a VSTI, or is that not possible?
No. The patch editors themselves do nothing; they are virtual sliders.

Re: Any VSTI versions of these synths?

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:18 pm
by toad
Some old scool-esque (?) romplers:
http://www.kvraudio.com/news/9758.html (free)
and
http://www.luxonix.com/home/en/products.html?id=purity (not free, 99 usd)
Luxonix also has another rompler, Ravity, but that doesn't seem to be available for purchasing...
There's a demo to try out, though.

Re: Any VSTI versions of these synths?

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:34 pm
by rickyd
Rest assured; that's complete nonsense, as the VC-1 card for the V-Synth XT shows. It's a 100% digital synth; analog parts are what's hard to emulate. Which leads us to the D50's (old, not-so-stellar) DACs, and the insistence of people that the original sounds warmer (and "warmth" can be simulated with filtering high frequencies).


I was thinking there was something wrong with that too, because if it couldnt be replicated, then how come the V-synth could basically turn into a D-50 once the card is inserted.


http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1066.html has the Augur by the way.
BTW - I have a side question to ask. Ok, I don't have a Roland D-50 (Want one really bad though), but there are patches and patch editors available on the net and I have a virtual MIDI keyboard, soooo would there be anyway I could still play those sounds through the patch editors, sorta using it as a VSTI, or is that not possible?
No. The patch editors themselves do nothing; they are virtual sliders.[/quote]

Thanks for pointing that out man.

Re: Any VSTI versions of these synths?

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 6:15 pm
by gcoudert
Good thing I sampled all the PCMs from my D50 before I sold it [-X ...

Re: Any VSTI versions of these synths?

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:36 am
by rickyd
gcoudert wrote:Good thing I sampled all the PCMs from my D50 before I sold it [-X ...

Yea that is a good thing. lol. How do you use them though?

Re: Any VSTI versions of these synths?

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:41 pm
by gcoudert
rickyd wrote:
gcoudert wrote:Good thing I sampled all the PCMs from my D50 before I sold it [-X ...

Yea that is a good thing. lol. How do you use them though?
Ha, ha! I don't use them, so I don't know why I sampled them in the first place :lol: Apart from the "Log Bass" sample, actually. I also like the organ sample but the JV1080 has pretty much the same one. I must confess that when I still had the D50, then the D550, I almost exclusively used its synth engine, not the PCM samples. I like the idea of modulating the PW with an LFO or envelope; not many digital synths can do that. I also found it quite frustrating not to be able to filter the samples.

Re: Any VSTI versions of these synths?

Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:59 pm
by seamonkey
This is one of those "I say" "you say" arguments.
I've had my original D50 since they first came out. I bought the D50 card for my V-synth when I had it so I wouldn't have to keep bringing my D50 out of the bedroom everytime I wanted to play it. I compared them one day and the D50 does to MY EARS sound a wee bit different than the V-synth, enough for me to notice. Maybe the patches played on the V-synth are actually better because of the upgraded electronics, who knows.......not me! :dontknow:

Re: Any VSTI versions of these synths?

Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:50 pm
by rickyd
gcoudert wrote:
rickyd wrote:
gcoudert wrote:Good thing I sampled all the PCMs from my D50 before I sold it [-X ...

Yea that is a good thing. lol. How do you use them though?
Ha, ha! I don't use them, so I don't know why I sampled them in the first place :lol: Apart from the "Log Bass" sample, actually. I also like the organ sample but the JV1080 has pretty much the same one. I must confess that when I still had the D50, then the D550, I almost exclusively used its synth engine, not the PCM samples. I like the idea of modulating the PW with an LFO or envelope; not many digital synths can do that. I also found it quite frustrating not to be able to filter the samples.

Yea I was thinking that the samples would be quite useless without the synth.