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What's the must realistic Subtractive/VA VST synth you know?

Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:52 pm
by Hobbitrabbit
Looking to add new software to my lineup. Basically, I want non-preset based synths so I can get some hardcore editing going on, but also, realism is key, of course. So what do you recommend? I already have Sylenth, Vanguard, and an Arturia Moog Modular, but as far as hyper-realistic VST's, that's all I've got.

Re: What's the must realistic Subtractive/VA VST synth you k

Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:56 pm
by Ned Bouhalassa
U-He's Diva.

Re: What's the must realistic Subtractive/VA VST synth you k

Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:00 pm
by CS_TBL
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Re: What's the must realistic Subtractive/VA VST synth you k

Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:36 pm
by tekkentool
What do you mean by realistic? :?

Re: What's the must realistic Subtractive/VA VST synth you k

Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:17 pm
by Hobbitrabbit
tekkentool wrote:What do you mean by realistic? :?
I mean most accurate emulation.

Re: What's the must realistic Subtractive/VA VST synth you k

Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:03 am
by tekkentool
Hobbitrabbit wrote:
tekkentool wrote:What do you mean by realistic? :?
I mean most accurate emulation.
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Re: What's the must realistic Subtractive/VA VST synth you k

Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 10:52 am
by Hybrid88
I'm guessing analog. Which leads me to wonder why you would want to emulate something that is already so accessable. :?

I've thought about this whole industry-wide obsession with emulation a bit recently. I've come to the conclusion that it just ends up being a farce. To me, emulation in and of itself is always going to fall short. Simply because different types of technology will always behave differently. I'm not saying 100% emulation could not be done, but I'm just not convinced yet. We've already had the unamazing component modeling of Korg, what next electron modeling? Copper temperature coefficient modelling? Come on.. :roll:

As a musician, if you're serious I'd advise not to buy into all that manufacturer motivated c**p.

Call me a purist if you will, I just say use your ears. (and by saying that I'm not necessarily implying either is "better" that the other) ;)

Re: What's the must realistic Subtractive/VA VST synth you k

Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:50 am
by Ashe37
Well, since this is the software synthesizers section, I'd say the answer he is likely looking for is 'Diva'. Yes, more accurate models consume more CPU. Yes, models are getting more accurate. If things like Diva use 'too much' of your CPU, it may be time for you to upgrade.

Re: What's the must realistic Subtractive/VA VST synth you k

Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:25 pm
by meatballfulton
As well as Diva, look into u-he's A.C.E. You might find this overlaps with the Arturia Moog however. The u-he stuff is particularly nice because it's designed with the sonics in mind, not the CPU load.
I'm guessing analog. Which leads me to wonder why you would want to emulate something that is already so accessable.
Maybe because he just prefers or needs ITB. I owned real analog gear back in the day and have owned a number of modern instruments, including some modulars. As much as I liked them, I got rid of all of it except a DSI Evolver.

For $100 A.C.E. does a fantastic job of covering what my last modular (about $3K worth when I sold it) could do...plus it's polyphonic, has patch storage, MIDI automation, etc. Not for everyone, but a good fit for me.

Re: What's the must realistic Subtractive/VA VST synth you k

Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:25 pm
by iProg
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Re: What's the must realistic Subtractive/VA VST synth you k

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 1:50 am
by Projectile
DIVA by a longshot. There is no contest. I love plenty of other VA's. They are great in their own ways, but if we are talking sheer analog authenticity, there is no doubt that the technology used in DIVA is the future. It is the only softsynth I've ever played that really sounds like analog circuits.

Re: What's the must realistic Subtractive/VA VST synth you k

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:46 pm
by ryandfl
Diva sounds seriously good. Check out some Soundcloud demos. I liked it so much that I jumped into real analog shortly after it came out. If that makes any sense.

It requires so much CPU for polyphony at the top quality settings that you may end up spending more on a new computer than you would on getting a couple real analogs, though. But then you have all the flexibility of software, it will never break, presets and all that.

If it had a dedicated control surface that could handle switching between instances of Diva smoothly, it would be insane. I've thought about getting a BCR2000 to dedicate to a couple instances of it.

Re: What's the must realistic Subtractive/VA VST synth you k

Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 12:12 am
by Hobbitrabbit
I have an exceedingly powerful computer, AMD Phenom x6 and 8gigs RAM, among other things. I can handle it :D

Re: What's the must realistic Subtractive/VA VST synth you k

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:50 am
by Solderman
I've not heard Diva yet but if it simulates voice tolerances, I owe it to myself to try it out. Of my own plugs, Sonic Projects OPX Pro II, with a bit of midrange notch EQ, is my pick.

Re: What's the must realistic Subtractive/VA VST synth you k

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:27 am
by meatballfulton
ryandfl wrote:If it had a dedicated control surface that could handle switching between instances of Diva smoothly, it would be insane.
You'd better not watch this video