The morality of sampling movie SFX

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The morality of sampling movie SFX

Post by nuketifromorbit » Mon Sep 01, 2008 5:37 am

I recently f**k around with taking samples of certain sound effects found in movie clips on youtube. While I'm sure it would be hard to pinpoint the source of these sound, and well I'd never get popular enough to be sued, I'm still curious as to whether or not people would consider it to be stealing? I respect sfx artists, and in a way I could almost imagine that it be similar to using someone else's synth patches without their permission. Any thoughts on this?
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Re: The morality of sampling movie SFX

Post by portland » Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:50 pm

Bad artists copy, good artists steal

It is only wrong if you use it uncreatively...

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Re: The morality of sampling movie SFX

Post by Hugo76 » Tue Sep 02, 2008 2:25 am

portland wrote:It is only wrong if you use it uncreatively...
Yeah. People like Future Sound Of London and Amon Toby can do it, while tossers like Jay-Z and P Diddy should be treated with utter comtempt :wink: :D

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Re: The morality of sampling movie SFX

Post by tyrannosaurus mark » Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:43 am

BECAUSE THEYRE BLACK

But seriously, sampling is great so long as youre having fun and doing something interesting.
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Re: The morality of sampling movie SFX

Post by Suburban Bather » Tue Sep 02, 2008 11:16 am

If you're not sampling in such way that it literally writes the entire song for you, then go for it.

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Re: The morality of sampling movie SFX

Post by Sir Ruff » Tue Sep 02, 2008 5:22 pm

A good "sampler" is one who makes/manipulates the original sample to be unsourcable, or who uses samples that are so obscure, no one is going to notice. Then again, sometimes "known" samples work well too, but obviously you are walking a much finer line in terms of copyright, etc.
Interesting argument tho-what if you make the rjd2 or laser gun sounds from Star Wars on your ARP 2600... Can "sounds" in themselves be copyrighted?
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Re: The morality of sampling movie SFX

Post by JSRockit » Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:23 pm

Hugo76 wrote:Jay-Z and P Diddy should be treated with utter comtempt :wink: :D
Jay-Z doesn't make beats and P.Diddy tells someone else what to do.
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Re: The morality of sampling movie SFX

Post by JSRockit » Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:25 pm

Sir Ruff wrote:A good "sampler" is one who makes/manipulates the original sample to be unsourcable, or who uses samples that are so obscure, no one is going to notice.
I don't know about that... so much good hip-hop (and music in general) was made from known samples.
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Re: The morality of sampling movie SFX

Post by Syn303 » Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:59 pm

Sir Ruff wrote: Interesting argument tho-what if you make the rjd2 or laser gun sounds from Star Wars on your ARP 2600... Can "sounds" in themselves be copyrighted?
I know Pete Namlook sampled an entire 50 minutes of the disney movie "The Black Hole" (See: Namlook VII),
but he did mangle it a lot to a certain degree to get round the copyright infringement i guess!
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Re: The morality of sampling movie SFX

Post by Stab Frenzy » Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:51 am

Sir Ruff wrote:Interesting argument tho-what if you make the rjd2 or laser gun sounds from Star Wars on your ARP 2600... Can "sounds" in themselves be copyrighted?
The laser guns aren't ARP, they're recorded radio antenna wires being hit with bits of metal. ;)

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Re: The morality of sampling movie SFX

Post by nuketifromorbit » Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:00 pm

I'm not really that worried about copy right infringement. After all if I got the raw materials to make these sounds and the recorded them myself would I be doing anything illegal? Eh, I'm going to do it anyway. I pitch everything down, or in some cases up anyway, in addition to adding fx, and lfo modulation.
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Re: The morality of sampling movie SFX

Post by Sir Ruff » Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:40 am

JSRockit wrote:
Sir Ruff wrote:A good "sampler" is one who makes/manipulates the original sample to be unsourcable, or who uses samples that are so obscure, no one is going to notice.
I don't know about that... so much good hip-hop (and music in general) was made from known samples.
See second line of comment :wink: Regardless, I still think a good "sampler" as a person/artist, is one who makes new sounds from old, rather than just ripping "known" ones... Yes, there is skill in making a new song out of different sounds from disparate sources a la DJ shadow, but that's not taking it the step further needed to make them "new" sounds.
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Sir Ruff wrote:Interesting argument tho-what if you make the rjd2 or laser gun sounds from Star Wars on your ARP 2600... Can "sounds" in themselves be copyrighted?
The laser guns aren't ARP, they're recorded radio antenna wires being hit with bits of metal. ;)
Of course! I'm glad someone here was able to spot my "mistake".... :mrgreen: :^o lol...
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Re: The morality of sampling movie SFX

Post by xpander » Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:07 am

i say sample the h**l out of everything, ftw.

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Re: The morality of sampling movie SFX

Post by portland » Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:14 pm

xpander wrote:i say sample the h**l out of everything, ftw.
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Re: The morality of sampling movie SFX

Post by pricklyrobot » Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:47 pm

Sir Ruff wrote:Can "sounds" in themselves be copyrighted?
The short answer is no.

This has come up in some past threads: http://www.vintagesynth.com/forum/viewt ... =copyright
and I know there was another thread about the legal issues of sampling (I specifically remember JSRockit and I discussing the Negativland case), but I can't find it. Perhaps it was lost in the Great Forum Upgrade of '08.
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