Kraftwerk sample case overturned

[pricklyrobot]

That is just low. LOW!

What do you expect from a guy who named himself after a shoe?

[nuketifromorbit]

Nice to see greed lose again. If those Krauts want more money they can work for it like the rest of us.

What the h**l is wrong with German musicians anyhow? f**k Neubauten wanted like 50 f**k USD for their CDs at their show. Assholes.

Maybe they still have war reparations to pay? I have little or no problems with people sampling other's work and then taking it in anther direction, however I do believe that when one does so they should credit the source. Appropriating the work of others has a long history in the visual arts so naturally I think its a bit silly to go ape s**t over somebody sampling a 2 second snippet. That being said I think Timbaland is an asshole if he doesn't credit the original artists.

[tallowwaters]

Credit is credit is credit. I sure as h**l aint giving Nas credit for the hooks I lifted from his album, mainly because my songs are cooler. h**l, I wouldnt want my f**k name associated with half the clowns in hip hop, so leave me off the credits please. If people that consider Timbaland an 'artist' wanted to hear the song he lifted from me, I would slap em with a shovel for the sake of gene pool.

[meatballfulton]

What the h**l is wrong with German musicians anyhow? f**k Neubauten wanted like 50 f**k USD for their CDs at their show.

Go blame W and Wall St. for tanking the dollar against the euro.

[meatballfulton]

free the samples!

Post that again after some #1 hit samples one of your tunes and you get nothing for it while the "artist" gets millions.

[madtheory]

Thing is, it appears that the guy DID clear the sample, but only the mechanical copyright, which is mostly owned by EMI. He did not clear the copyright on the musical work, which belongs to mostly to Kraftwerk, and their publisher. Very odd.

I think Kraftwerk may have a musical issue because even though it is a short sample, it totally makes the song work. But not many judges are musical!

[shakey_hands]

just to add some more fuel to this sample debate.
check out the kraftwerk song computer love, then play coldplay's talk.

yep those crazy germans really were/are fantastic musical influences
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as for me i love sampling, i plan to do a lot moe in the future. however i am a musical in my own right as well, who writes original music first. somebody who needs to leech of another artist should quit or be punished. (coldplay acknowledge kraftwerk so no beef with them, but i dont think they pay them royalties so make up your own mind).

if you write something it is yours and you should be proud, which means defending it from hacks in genres you may hate. lucky for me i love all musical genres.

[Vxster]

just to add some more fuel to this sample debate.
check out the kraftwerk song computer love, then play coldplay's talk.

I think that was all credited and cleared before release.

[madtheory]

just to add some more fuel to this sample debate.
check out the kraftwerk song computer love, then play coldplay's talk.

I think that was all credited and cleared before release.

Your thinking is correct. But please, let him have his drama...

[diezdiazgiant]

This just sounds like such patheticly jealous conciet to me, the whole arguement against sampling - to you honestly believe that you own an idea and concept. Especially in electronic music as if no one else has ever programmed the same patch or played the same notes to the same rythym. Boo f**k hoo, thats just as egotistical as the people who dont give credit.

[Johnny Lenin]

Thanks, diezdiazgiant. +1

I agree with the earlier poster -- free the samples!

This whole notion of intellectual property is based on the fallacy that the creator of anything creates it out of thin air, by force of his own personality.

[madtheory]

This whole notion of intellectual property is based on the fallacy that the creator of anything creates it out of thin air, by force of his own personality.

I think you have it backwards. It's really a way of turning something intangible into something akin to a product (tangible) that an artist can earn a living from.

Perhaps, because so many people are now able to make their music somewhat tangible (via myspace etc.) that the perceived value of copyright has been reduced. Music hobbyists don;t consider themselves to be artists, and without thinking about it, expect artists to sacrifice their livelihood, by disregarding copyright.

Anyway, this Kraftwerk case is not unique. This kind of thing happens a lot. When you sample, you need separate permissions, from the publisher and the record company.

[pricklyrobot]

This whole notion of intellectual property is based on the fallacy that the creator of anything creates it out of thin air, by force of his own personality.

I think you have it backwards. It's really a way of turning something intangible into something akin to a product (tangible) that an artist can earn a living from.

Perhaps, because so many people are now able to make their music somewhat tangible (via myspace etc.) that the perceived value of copyright has been reduced. Music hobbyists don;t consider themselves to be artists, and without thinking about it, expect artists to sacrifice their livelihood, by disregarding copyright.

Exactly!

Certainly all art builds on what came before; there's nothing new under the sun, et cetera. You can make a case that copyright goes too far in some cases, or that copyright law needs to be re-tooled for the modern era.

But without copyright the whole concept of the professional artist can't really exist (what is an artist's incentive to make anything—leaving aside the purely aesthetic impulse to create—if he has no claim of ownership over what he makes), unless you want to go back to the patronage system.

[Johnny Lenin]

With all due respect, as much as I would like to discuss this, I think I'll step back. PM me if you'd like to discuss it further.

[madtheory]

With all due respect, as much as I would like to discuss this, I think I'll step back. PM me if you'd like to discuss it further.

No thanks.